• Arin
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    315 months ago

    can’t collect your data if your device is actually sleeping

  • @Zerush@lemmy.ml
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    No problem

    • Under “Power Options,” click “Change what the power buttons do.”
    • Click the “Change settings that are currently unavailable” link near the top of the page.
    • Deselect Fast Startup (Recommended)
    • Save Changes
    • Done

    It always amuses me when people say that Windows is easier to use than Linux, which is absolutely false and only coincides with basic functions, but not if you want to make Windows do what the you want and not the other way around. Windows allows you to tame it completely, it has all the necessary settings, but naturally these are becoming less and less intuitive and more hidden.

    • @Squirrel@thelemmy.club
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      125 months ago

      It’s easier for people who don’t know what they’re doing. The limitations keep those users from breaking things and provide a decent out-of-the-box experience for the user. The very same limitations feel, well, limiting to users like you.

        • @Squirrel@thelemmy.club
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          35 months ago

          I mean, I’m not, but only because I am too lazy to change (so far). I’ve been remarkably content with the Steam Deck desktop experience, so I’m leaning more and more towards Linux.

    • @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      I have a Mac / Linux background. I took a job where I supported primarily Windows machines. I remember wanting to set a machine to NTP to solve an out-of-sync time issue. I knew what the goddamned computer protocol was, but futzed around trying to find where I could enable it for ten minutes. Windows is confusing as fuck. I say that as a person who has since learned where shit is in this bullshit OS.

      • @Zerush@lemmy.ml
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        Yes, I know. This is why it amuses me when someone says that Windows is a good system for beginners. It is only at first glance, but if you want to access more in-depth configurations so that it does what you want and not the other way around, which is possible, it quickly becomes Comanche territory. Certainly nothing for newbees.

    • @deafboy@lemmy.world
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      Sleep has always been a hit or miss. My HP probook would wake up just to tell me the battery is low. Then, proceeded to sleep, because the battery was low. Then, wake up, to tell me the battery is low…

    • voxel
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      fast startup is pretty good tho.
      win11 tases painfully long time to coldboot (2-3 minutes, somehow even slower than linux boot times on an 8 year old laptop) even from a fast nvme drive and fast boot solves that issue

      • @Zerush@lemmy.ml
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        In 2-3 minutes I am already posting on Lemmy with W10, there is not much difference between cold and fast boot, it may be because of the SSD. I prefer cold boot, because with fast boot it boots maybe a few seconds faster, but a lot of garbage remains in memory that slows down the system.

  • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlM
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    The best way to shutdown your Windows system is to restart it, and then when its booting, shut it off right there. Restart actually restarts the system afresh, and for some profound reason, Windows took the hibernate shutdown feature introduced in Windows 8 and just completely removed the traditional shutdown way, how the shutdown button always worked upto 8.1 version. Windows 10 and 11 never shutdown with the shutdown, but with restart, as much of a circus as it sounds.

    • @Tak@lemmy.ml
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      Can’t you just disable fastboot?

      Control Panel>Hardware and Sound>Power Options>System Settings Uncheck “turn on fast startup”

    • kick_out_the_jams
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      If you want to turn off hibernation for good you can do so with an elevated prompt.

      powercfg.exe /hibernate off

      Otherwise you want to turn off fast start up, which should avoid the hibernation/shutdown you’re talking about.

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        Yes, fast startup, forgot the name. But it is insane how its hidden off behind a commandline, what used to be a tickbox behind admin password inside of Power Options.

        Edit: apparently the tickbox is still there, my bad

        • kick_out_the_jams
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          The fast start up option actually should still be under power options, though not really intuitive or easy to find.
          Look for the part that says “Choose what the power buttons do” and it should be there.

          I tend to just turn hibernation all off because I don’t really use it, and I’d typically rather have the space hiberfil.sys takes up.

    • katy ✨
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      i heard you gotta wait until it tells you it’s safe to turn off your computer.

  • @Raxiel@lemmy.world
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    My desktop isn’t a problem, but the Dell laptop issued by my employer is a pain. It can take over an hour to load the models I work on, so I only shut down over the weekend and sleep it weeknights. Every time some BS, probably hidden behind admin credentials by IBM will wake it up within 20 minutes. Luckily I’ve discovered pulling the power and leaving it in battery keeps it asleep.

    • Pantsofmagic
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      You might be able to fix this by disabling “modern standby”. That was the key on my Dell laptop from work having the same issue and threatening to melt my backpack every night.

  • @Cort@lemmy.world
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    Huh, I have the opposite issue on my new tablet. If it stays in sleep mode for more than an hour while unplugged, it goes into full shutdown mode and has to be booted up when I need it again. Asus flow z13

  • @dan1101@lemm.ee
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    If you can’t get the PC to stay asleep I wonder if disconnecting it from the internet will keep it asleep?

  • katy ✨
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    relatable. do windows pcs also have cats curled up between their legs?

  • sylver_dragon
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    Anymore, standby seems to be a solution for a problem which no longer exists. Booting from a completely powered off state to a full desktop takes very little time, on a modern system with an SSD. You’re also less likely to be online to receive updates or the like while in a standby state. Unlike phones, computers rarely have cellular modems. So, the benefits of an “always on” state are largely lost, as the system isn’t going to get updates, notifications or data while it’s in standby. Just power the device off.

    • SokathHisEyesOpen
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      105 months ago

      Shutting down and re-booting doesn’t retain your active work state. Mac OS will at least launch everything you had open if you want it to, but Windows (at least up to 10) has no such feature.

      • @d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz
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        This is incorrect…ish. Windows, yes even 10, has had a feature for a while now called Automatic Restart Sign-on (ARSO). You can enable this feature by going to Settings > Accounts > Sign in options > "Automatically save my restartable apps and restart them when I sign back in".

        After enabling it, a reboot will restore… some apps (hence the ‘ish’), these apps being mostly Microsoft apps (Edge, Word, Outlook, Notepad etc) + some third-party apps (I know Firefox gets restored, not sure about others).

        You can also use the shutdown /g command to test this (after enabling ARSO):

        /g Fully shuts down and restarts the computer. On restart, if Automatic Restart Sign-On is enabled, the device automatically signs in and locks based on the last interactive user. After sign in, it restarts any registered applications.

        https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/shutdown

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          Well that’s handy. I wonder what determines if it can relaunch a program or not. Does it retain your actual work state though, or just relaunch those programs? On my MacBook if I tell it to restore stuff when I shut down then it takes me back to exact same state, sans some VPN logins. Unsaved text editor files will still be there, whatever I had open in vs code will be active, all my browser tabs will restore, etc… It acts more like a hibernate than a shutdown.

          • @d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz
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            Yep it does restore application state as well, but it’s a bit of a hit-and-miss. Notepad is restored surprisingly well - including unsaved text and multiple windows; Firefox and Edge browser tabs are restored; unsaved Word docs are restored as well but oddly enough, Outlook’s state isnt restored (although it does save any unsaved drafs).

            I’m guessing some sort of resume/restartable support is needed from the app as well for this to work properly. I imagine modern “UWP” apps would just work, but some additional coding might be needed for traditional win32 apps. Like Adobe Reader for instance, it doesn’t get restored at all.

    • Brokkr
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      It might be quick to get to a windows log in screen, but it still takes a long time to get back to a usable state, not to mention the state that you actually want it in (programs and files open, etc).

      Having standby or hibernation was really great for this. Being able to put a laptop into a bag for 24 hours and then getting back to exactly where you left it was a very nice feature.

    • @olicvb@lemmy.ca
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      awweee : ( but i like not having to re-open my 9 separate browser windows, 3 constantly opened apps, plus whatever program i was working in.

      Sleep has me back to my workflow in no time

    • Amju Wolf
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      Booting from a completely powered off state to a full desktop takes very little time, on a modern system with an SSD.

      Ahh I see you haven’t had the pleasure of dealing with a DDR5 system.

    • @empireOfLove@lemmy.one
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      Mate, I just want the OneNote and 40 tab research session on my school laptop to fucking stay open when I close the lid for more than 30 minutes.