They have a talented roster but it’s not the right talent. They need to move some pieces and get some different guys.
Yeah, they have a “top 5 defense” but it never locks good teams down. The Von Miller deal was dumb, they have no pass rush, no run game and not a good OLine.
Maybe shave some off the defense and get 1-2 improvements on the OLine and a stud running back.
The Bills are one of the most confusing teams in the NFL.
We’re very simple to understand. In a given scenario just ask, will this outcome make Bills fans happy? If no, then that outcome will happen. If yes, it will not.
Ever heard of the LA Chargers?
One of the most overrated
i think the word you’re looking for is overrated
teehee I don’t really agree with any of this but it’s a fun narrative that makes us look cool so I won’t explain why it’s wrong
The Bills got the most hype I’ve ever seen for a team that lost in the 2nd round geesh
That’s always kinda what left me scratching my head about the narrative or thought that if they could’ve won that game their destiny or whatever would’ve been different. Like maybe it would’ve been, but they lost to the chiefs who ended up losing to the bengals, who ended up losing to the rams in the Super Bowl. And then we saw them the year after play those Bengals and lose in the playoffs in a game that wasn’t even as close as the final score would indicate. I think it’s more likely they would’ve just ended up losing to Cincy the next week instead of beating the Rams and winning it all even if they had gotten past Kansas City
I don’t know why you think it was more likely they would have lost to Cincy. Josh was putting up unreal numbers and the offense was clicking on a NFL record setting pace. They put up nearly 80 points in 2 playoff games.
I think many assume they would’ve kept it rolling bc Josh Allen was on a playoff heater like no QB I’ve ever seen since 2012 Flacco
dude completed 77.4% of his passes for 637 yards and 9 TDs for a 149.0 passer rating to go along with 134 rushing yards in 2 games. those stats don’t even look real
I mean they were on pace to have the greatest offense ever in the playoffs, what is there to not understand about the hype?
I mean when you go back and look at that postseason in ‘21 and look at Allen’s stats it’s hard to find a QB who was playing better in recent memory that also lost so early in the playoffs.
This generation’s Wide Right. Bills always on the wrong side of NFL lore.
Yeah but at least we have those upstate NY winters…
i came in here to make a similar comment, except use the music city miracle. that play was also 13 seconds long and they didn’t make the playoffs for 18 years after.
Man, you lose to a great defensive performance by the Broncos and the claws come out.
Thank you.
I tried to point out that the Broncos played the games of their lives on Monday and the Bills subreddit is not having it.
They’re acting like we were thoroughly destroyed by a winless team.
You’re 5-5 and beat the Giants by a missed call. I’m not sure that’s very good
Bills made some really bad errors that had nothing to do with how the Broncos were playing
They played well, but we’re hapless. Both things can be true.
Bills had an int that went through a WR’s hands, Allen fumbled a handoff, you had 12 men on the field on a missed field goal that would have won you the game.
I think the worry comes from you guys shooting yourselves in the foot repeatedly, yet still having a chance to win at the end after 4 turnovers, then still fucking up the easiest part of the game, putting 11 or fewer guys on the field.
the Bills averages 3 more yards per play than the broncos. you averages 7 yards per carry. You guys should have won that game by a couple scores.
I mean they played out of their minds yet the bills still would have won if not for a 12 man infraction. Fact is the bills lost this game due to turnovers and penalties not because the broncos were better
Only the most delusional broncos fans would say that the Bills aren’t the better team. I say that as a delusional broncos fan too
False. We’re better
I mean, the Pats aren’t winless but we are pretty fucking close
Well you lost to the Jets and the Pats before this, and are the single team in the league that made Mac Jones look confident and comfortable this year.
They’re 5-5 and lost to New England. They were a missed DPI call away from losing to a horrific giants team.
Lol by “collapse” are they really talking about maybe the greatest QB duel game of all time?
I wouldn’t exactly call it a collapse. Unless we are going to say that both defenses collapsed multiple times in the 4th quarter.
I had to hear about how Allen outplayed Mahomes head to head, and how he was the best QB in the league that whole off season.
Welp.
Must have been really hard for you
life comes at you fast
Chiefs fans always the victims, right?
No you didn’t. What you heard was that Bills-Chiefs, like Pats-Chiefs three years prior when you were on the other end of things, was a perfect example of why the OT rules needed changing.
When both offenses are obliterating (5 consecutive scoring drives to end regulation in both games), it is borderline malpractice to leave it entirely up to a coinflip to decide which defence is being sent as lambs to the slaughter
If I cared enough I would link you the articles, opinions, and headlines that definitely did exactly what I described.
but okay.
actually Nick does a quick rundown here
There’s not enough stupidity in this clip for my liking. Can you throw in some Skip Bayless or SAS to make me feel alive?
Lol unironically quoting Nick Wright
Allen doesn’t really have weapons outside of Diggs rn. That being said, he’s always played a Favre-esq style of ball that could either help or doom the team. I think defenses have kind of figured out that once you take away Diggs, Allen tries to hero ball it.
Wow, have not heard that excuse for Allen before. It could be so much worse than the group of skill players he has
I think the hero ball is the issue regardless of the players. On Monday, the Bills went on 75 yard drive to take the lead w 2 minutes left in the game and Allen didn’t throw a single pass.
If Josh Allen can’t be successful without more great players, he should renegotiate his contract to take less money so the Bills can get better players.
The issue is the same as Mahomes is facing now, that outside of one great target and a promising rookie, Allen doesn’t have reliable targets to throw to. The most basic, stock-standard WR2 and 3s you could imagine would be an upgrade for him. Davis isn’t a good WR2 and Shakir doesn’t feature much.
Look at what Deshaun Watson did on the road vs a much better defense than the Broncos.
His weapons were Amari Cooper, David Njoku, Elijah Moore, and Jerome Ford (and they were down to their 4th and 5th string tackles). Allen’s group is as good or better than that, and he isn’t doing too well. Why? Bc he turns the ball over (leads the league). He’s had an interception in like 5 straight games. The pick he threw vs the Bengals had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of his wide receiver. Pass catchers have nothing to do with him fumbling the ball.
Kincaid is a good player
I don’t understand why teams don’t use good TEs like the chiefs use Kelce. Ofc Kelce is GOATed (outside Gronk maybe) but I feel like OCs should scheme them in wayyyy more. Like I’m talking 10+ targets a game, but I haven’t looked at Kincaid’s numbers tbf
About 32 targets over the past 4 games so pretty close to that
Sure, he’s solid, but I wouldn’t call him a weapon yet. Gabe Davis was supposed to be that #2 guy after that playoff game he had against y’all, but that’s looking like a pipe dream now.
Chiefs DBs kept falling down around Davis in the RZ and the Bills really thought it was indicative of future performance for the dude smh
Lol we let Dan sorenson trick us 💀💀💀💀
It’s not the 13 second game (even though our game last year showed they didn’t learn from it before half time), they simply went all in last season to win a Super Bowl and for numerous reasons mostly unfortunate, tragic even, it didn’t work out. What the 2023 Bills are is what happens when you go all in and it doesn’t pay off. Paid off for the Bucs, paid off for the Rams, it’s the Naked Man of the NFL.
As long as they have Josh Allen, they’ll be fine as a franchise, for this current team it might just not have meant to be.
“The Naked Man of the NFL” is too damn good. Easily one of my favorite episodes. Takes a little bit of the sting out of being the 1/3 lol.
What’s it in reference to
How I Met Your Mother https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1256191/
At least for a lot of Bills fans, the not learning is the biggest issue. 13 seconds is a great example because we let up an end of half field goal in 12 (!!!) seconds the very next time we played you guys. But it’s way more than that- we’re still relying on retread players and aging vets. Poyer and Hyde were all pros two years ago but Poyer was in and out of the lineup last year and Hyde was gone after week 2 so who do they move on to? No one, and now they’re both in and out. Gabe Davis is the biggest winner of 13 seconds, but he’s flat out not good and we’ve done nothing to challenge him for WR2. We brought back Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips who were here before, we didn’t want to pay, and then came back after they didn’t play up to the contracts they were given, but surely they’ll be better than they were when we let them walk. We finally had some success on offense going up tempo against the Buccaneers, then abandoned it and struggled against the Bengals (McDermott on why we went away from it: “I’m not really sure”), and still stayed away against the Broncos. Dorsey’s scheme was basic last year and it didn’t improve this year and it’s the same problems. Diggs not being involved enough, 2nd and long shotgun runs, etc. The offense even started to stall out the same time last season. The first several years under McDermott you could see his growth as a coach, but over the last couple it’s been the same thing every season, the same answers after bad games, the same mistakes every time, and the team seems less invested and more disinterested than I’ve ever seen them. Josh Allen’s turnovers are a problem, but what worries me more is he just seems apathetic, that comes back to coaching too. People were saying McDermott couldn’t get over the hump after 13 seconds, but I didn’t really believe that until he just totally stopped growing as a coach since then. Unfortunately, I think it’s time to move on
They went all in? All I remember is the Von Miller signing. What other stuff did they do? It was it mostly cap stuff?
I’d say so, yeah. This wasn’t a team that needed to make a number of big signings or trades, but the Miller contract and Diggs extension have definitely put them in a position where they don’t really have a whole lot of wiggle room without having to lose a number of big names on the defense in FA this coming offseason. The Knox contract, as big of a fan of his as I am, isn’t really paying off either.
Their cap situation was very much designed around winning a Super Bowl in 22 or 23 at the expense of the next few years.
I would also say it’s the fact 3 of our pro bowlers on defense are out for the season in very key positions
Lol they lost half their defense to injury and have the worst starting drive position because of it.
Works 2 out of 3 times guaranteed
60% of the time it works 100% of the time.
Or us Bills fans say: It works every time unless you’re the Bills.
That’s the worst choke I’ve ever seen in football
I don’t buy it
Teams have overcome way worse playoff losses
They are regressing, but that tends to happen when you finally have to pay your QB.
Chiefs “regressed” when we let go of Tyreek Hill, everyone just forgot because we won the SB that year.
Chiefs have a better QB, better coach and did a smart thing by investing in D (by drafting amazingly well) to make up for their offense being not as explosive
The Chiefs got “lucky” that they have been very good at drafting. Hitting on players like McDuffie, Pacheco, Humphrey, Sneed etc. They basically have gotten like 2 starters out of each draft which is a pretty good rate for a team that is picking in the bottom 5 each year.
Veach has been great at drafting defensive players and OL (and QB per the narrative that he was the guy pounding the table for Mahomes throughout 2016 and 2017), but man, his miss rate on offensive skill players is his biggest weakness. Hardman has been only ever mediocre, Skyy Moore is looking like a bust, and let’s not talk about Clyde. Pacheco is his only real hit, and unfortunately he’s in a low-impact position.
Rice at least looks like he could be pretty good if you guys would utilize him correctly. not Tyreek by any means, but who is really
Eh It’s more like they’re draft picks haven’t been too stellar and their defense is just constantly injured. Combine that with the fact that Allen just wants to make the flashy play/ be the hero and it’s not exactly a winning recipe to say the least.
Allen just wants to make the flashy play/ be the hero
Or he feels he has to because of the draft picks not panning out and the defense being injured
It’s just a shit piece written by someone who is trying too hard to make a connection that doesn’t exist. Don’t try to make sense of the senseless.
Why is this the way that it is?
Missed their Super Bowl window before it even opened
A Super Bowl window is open when you have a team capable of winning the Super Bowl for multiple years which they absolutely did
Yeah, just like the Packers. They had their best window, (not their only window), and it just didn’t happen.
The “window is closed” narrative is so dumb as if there isn’t any luck involved in winning. Bills could easily roll out and entirely different looking team in a couple years and be great, do that mean the “window is back open”?
Of course someone without team flair would have the worst take in this whole thread.
Maybe the window just had a screen over it?
Madden cover curse in progress?
This is just not true. They were 13 seconds away from beating the Chiefs in 2022 and very easily could have won the Super Bowl that year. They made the Divisional round again last year. That’s a window.
very easily could have won the Super Bowl
It’s just that easy!
Delusional Bills fans are ok cause the game before they beat Mac Jones and the Patriots. Mission Accomplished
I’m a Maple Leafs’ fan and we’re still traumatized by “It was 4-1” and it’s been a whole 10 years and change since that. Some losses just stick with you, especially the ones where you let yourself think “This is happening!”