Neo-Nazis are showing up at protests in an attempt to push anti-Jewish conspiracy theories and tropes into the mainstream.
If anyone thinks this is a unique situation - this has happened so many times. The easiest example is the Nazis, or the “national socialists” because socialism was popular back then so they used the term despite starting with killing union workers and leftists.
Vincent Bevins talks in depth about this in his book If We Burn, where he discusses why (certain) protests fail by going through real life examples of movements that were hijacked by right wing extremists. This is not new or novel, this is going by the playbook on how to fight against movements that ask for justice, peace, more democracy, economic equality, and so forth.
Well, the Nazis didn’t just randomly co-opt that term, they were the result of a merger of two different political parties, one far right and the other far right but with some ✨ socialist characteristics ✨ (if you’re ethnically German). On the Night of the Long Knives, all of the socialist-leaning elements of the new NSDAP were murdered in cold blood by the SS.
Shocking absolutely nobody
I think it would be a good look to balance pro-Palestine demonstrations with anti-Nazi symbolism.
Would be funny to watch ‘journalists’ report on the Nazis in a protest when there are more people with anti-Nazi gear.
Couldn’t they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?
Couldn’t they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?
Didn’t you read this part?
“Nine out of ten of them would probably happily commit a hate crime against anyone [at the pro-Palestine protest].”
I’m not sure what that changes
That’d be a pretty weird report, but sure.
They can report anything.
I’m not sure what would be weird about it if it was what literally happening. How would you report it?
All they need is one guy with a nazi flag and they can say everyone there is complicit. And they can bring their own nazi to model for them.
I mean, they don’t even need that.
They can say whatever they want, lol.
Palestinians, antizionists, and their allies are some of the best prepared to counter antisemitic infiltration.
Having to build a movement that has to tiptoe around an opponent who will use every minor mistake or misunderstanding to conflate you with a Nazi (see Greta Thunberg’s octopus plushie drama) really gives you a crash course on Judaism and antisemitic tropes.
Plus, one of the most popular fronts within Antizionism are the Jewish anti-zionists! I’ve learned more about the history of Judaism, the shoah, and the legacy of Jewish resistance to apartheid thanks to antizionists that is have never learned otherwise.
It is kind of funny to see the nazis who hate muslims more than jews and those who hate jews more than muslims go against each other
As a Jew…none of this is funny.
There was a hate crime down the street from me, a young girl was followed home from a peace rally and her house was shot up.
This shit needs to stop. Islamophobia and Anti Semitism should not and cannot be tolerated as an outgrowth of this war.
Unfortunately, it’s already working on people susceptible to that sort of broad, hateful messaging. Eerie to see how easily people are taken over and recruited into the same sort of things that happened up to, during, and after Kristallnacht. And it’s working worldwide. It’s scary to see young people, even 21 year olds, getting arrested for posting threats that they will murder all their Jewish classmates at college. 5:33 in the news: https://youtu.be/K1wP1oPkzok?si=oCg67zMcPucRblaq
People are extremely vulnerable to it, especially without a strong grasp of world history.
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Too many brown, jews and leftist people in Palestinian protests. They won’t like it there.
The thing about Nazis (and other flavors of racist shitbags if anyone wants to play the “well akshually they’re not Nazis, theyre…” game) is they don’t care, they’ll pretend to be reasonable, break bread with their enemies, etc. as long as it’s convenient for them. But they don’t view those others as being equal human beings, so once they’ve accomplished whatever they set out to do, they’ll turn on them as soon as they think they have the upper hand without a moment’s hesitation.
That’s the Nazi playbook and always has been. You can see it happen in WWII, you can see it in the lunatic fringe taking over the Republican party over the last century or so, it’s how these types operate.
They’ll happily throw their lot in with whoever is convenient to their cause in the moment, why should they care? They’re just planning on turning on them down the road anyway, hell, it probably even gets them a better look at how these temporary allies/future targets for extermination operate and gets them in closer for when they eventually make their move against them.
Horseshoe. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
Its almost like the far right and the pro palestine people share certain things in common.
Like what?
Pro Palestine people want Palestinian people to be freed from oppression. It doesn’t matter that the people currently oppressing them (most directly anyway) are Jews, it just matters that they are the oppressors.
The far-right (the ones being discussed here anyway that are going to these events and spewing antisemitic crap) hate Jews because they’re Jews. On a different day I’m sure they’d be saying horrible shit about Arabs too.
So, they might have “I don’t like Netanyahu” in common, but that doesn’t really warrant a loaded statement like “It’s almost like the far right and the pro palestine people share certain things in common” now does it
On a different day I’m sure they’d be saying horrible shit about Arabs too.
Hell they’ll start saying it a few sentences later
It’s almost like they don’t - that’s why it was worth writing an article about, eh?
When you consider the goals of both are to control the population, especially the female population it makes sense.
The gop and Hamas ain’t all that different. They want to dictate what you learn in school, what you’re allowed to wear, who you’re allowed to love and what you do with your own body. They just pray to different ghosts that both happen to be cheap Chinese knock offs of the people they both hate but for different reasons.
Two sides of the same shit coin Ricky.
Politics makes strange bedfellows
Misinformation and disinformation make strange bedfellows. Hamas is a terrorist organization and has an absolute provable track record for creating and applying both. What makes you think anything they say is any more accurate in this current conflict than it has been before?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/%3Famp=true
They would probably harm the movement more than anything, but otherwise the enemy of my enemy is my ally.
Are you saying Nazis are your allies?
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horrible take. you don’t cooperate with nazis.
When goals align I’ll cooperate with literally anyone. When they are attempting to do what I am doing, there is no discussion. We in that moment become allies.
The only question is if our intended outcomes actually align at all.
The only question is if our intended outcomes actually align at all.
I can answer that question for you- They don’t.
But when they do, you would still say they don’t.
When they do, that means your goals include extermination, segregation, and subjugation of different races
In which case, you’re not allying yourself with Nazis, you are a Nazi.
You know Nazis also despise the left and would do anything to put you in camps if they could. They are not allies. You are falling in the exact trap described by this article, trying to attract leftists on the few subjects they appear to have in common to make the Nazis appear normal or even allies.
I’m not offering to let nazis rule the world, I’m asking for the crowd who wants to stop Israeli’s bombing run and remove Netanyahu from power to be even one person larger.
