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The people hating on him clearly haven’t seen much of his content lately. He’s grown up and has his life together pretty well now. If you think nobody is deserving of a second chance then you do you, nobody is forcing you to watch his content. I honestly love his redemption arc and I’ve watched some of his content lately and really enjoyed it. And good for him that he likes self hosting and is doing all these pc DIY projects.
he dint really accept his/or dealt with the consequences, he merely fled to japan to avoid and waited til all the drama died down, he mostly isnt on a redeeming arc, everyone just forgot about him.
he dint really accept his/or dealt with the consequences,
- He publically apologized for it (no ukulele though, which is how you know it’s a fake apology)
- He didn’t do it again
What else would you want him to do?
And what consequences are you specifically talking about?
Over the years I think I care less about some public apology or statement to accept that a creator has moved past old behavior (I assume you’re talking about the bridge, I don’t really follow PewDiePie).
We see too many fake apologies and if it’s been some time, apologizing just gives an opportunity for viewers to dogpile when someone is trying to move past something.
I think if it’s been a few years and he’s clearly shown to have grown past it, that’s enough for me. You never really know what a content creator’s private beliefs are just how they choose to use their public persona.
People moved on long before he moved to Japan, or at least most people, there are still some that hate him for a mistake he made many years ago.
People can change and grow up and deserve second changes, I grew up racist just because of my environment, but as I got older I grew out of that and saw that it’s wrong and hurts and divides people.
Am I also unremarkable because of what I used to be like before my brain was fully formed?
I totally missed him being a Youtube jackoff and only watched my first Pewdiepie video last year when he was degoogling. Because I was doing that as well. Then saw his Linux video and that made me realise Linux was for me.
So while people might think he’s some sort of douche, to me he’s just fucking brilliant! So funny and smart, and really wants to help people escape from the awful internet we have now, where everything is sucking up your data. He gives great advice on how to do that and does it in such a funny way.
People keep mentioning his redemption arc lol, but i’ve just seen the great stuff so for me, abs love his stuff! Highly recommended!
Best thing for Linux, having such a huge Youtuber praising it so much!
Well he’s 36 now. Think he’s realized that it’d be cringe to behave like a teenager for much longer and his original fans are all adults now anyway, so he’s decided to aim his new videos at them rather than getting new teenage fans. Put it this way, he had 100 million subscribers 7 years ago, he has 110 million now. One has to assume his average subscriber age has risen a lot in recent years.
Honestly great that this is how it’s gone. I find him way more relatable now than when his fame was at peak.
I like that you like him now… But i don’t think the main reason he’s become cool now is due to him… not wanting to be cringe lol.
Obv yeah the audience n he grew but it sorta takes agency away from him by knowing its all bullshit haha. Like yes, he’s a huge YouTube star but he’s also now huge advocate of privacy, security and mental health.
He’s not just doing this cos he doesnt wanna be cringe.
Honestly, cringe was an oversimplification in the first place on my behalf. My take is that he’s realized that he can either keep doing what he did for over a decade (put out cringe content, which would be even more cringe as he reaches 40 soon), or he can actually do something useful with the reach he has, and be someone his son can actually be proud of. And he went with the latter, over the easy money of the former.
Okay yeah, thats a more accurate picture.
I honestly think im glad i missed his cringe douche phase. I actually hate that whole influencer youtube bullshit.
But he really is not like those twats now lol
can already tell this is gonna be the most insufferable comment section of all time
Wtf is wrong with this place, why is everyone fighting
And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie?This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol.
I mean I’m just here because of the API thing
And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie?
He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’.
After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It’s the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down.
Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort.
I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion.
Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction?
Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign
no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now.
hed did a bad thing that one time
Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts.
Yeah I’m certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but… No he didn’t? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation.
lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos.
Didn’t downvote. I’m old…like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I’ve never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore.
are you bitter? if not then you dont apply.
Never tasted myself.
Me either, I’m too old and inflexible to try that anymore.
I’m old. I never understood the appeal of that cunt.
Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years.
Homie, they couldn’t waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly
He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person
I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even onceyeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you’re branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens.
gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person.
The person I was responding to said
I personally love him for being the same guy all this years.
My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him “being the same guy all this years” is a good thing
(I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative)
You mean Here on fedi?
I liked the video but what was the point he was making with self hosted stuff? How did that stop the algo brain in him?
pewdiepie is one of the modern celebraties that it kinda annoys me that I recognize the name. I feel like if I had not been a nerd and somehow I knew who captain kirk was even though I did not like sci fi. if I was not a nerd. I certainly like sci fi and know who captain kirk is.
I think most people in the native English speaking world recognize Kirk regardless of their opinion on sci-fi.
I mean now yeah but like in the 80’s and even 90’s not as much. wrath of con and 4 did relatively well and with blockbuster likely more people saw it. Despite that sci fi was really niche back then. How about like knowing who captain picard was in 1995.
Same I recognized his name but had never watched one of his videos, tried this one because of its content and could only get through about 2 minutes, maybe it got better but holy cow was that annoying. Not my style I guess.
Having such a big influencer as Pewds shout out selfhosting, ad blocking and general privacy improvements is a huge win, no matter what your opinion is of him.
It is true, I think so too. I never really watched any of his content, his racist and toxic comments in the past make it hard to recommend it to anyone, but his two or three tech videos were decent for a normie targeting normies. In total, he is big enough, that I think its a net profit for the cause.
his racist and toxic comments in the past make it hard to recommend it to anyone
He mended his ways, and didn’t do it again. What else do you want him to do, to atone for his sins?
I’m always open to somebody’s redemption arc, even if I dislike them. The great thing about people is that we are capable of growth, even if not all of us always grow in the right direction, we always can.
What redemption? Where are his fediverse channels at?
…one step at a time, dude. This kind of thinking just serves to make perfect the enemy of good.
It takes 2 minutes to create an account on the fediverse, they are not interested in that, they are on youtube for the profits.
they [have a job] for [money].
Maybe us too, to be fair
Thay may not even be aware of the fediverse for all we know, lmao
I’ll be sure to tell them how easy it is, if I enter run into them…
Sometimes infinite monkeys do write the source code for doom and run it on a thermometer
And having a youtube video on lemmy frontpage is a huge ad for google and a missed opportunity for an open alternative to become more popular
Do you get enough oxygen in that large intestine you live in?
Take the win and move on.
Dunno about “huge ad” exactly… There arent that many of us here lol.
Not huge maybe but for what i care a big smack in the face to this open source and decentralized platform.
He helped usher in this new enshittification. He was the Trojan horse. First one to reach a million
you think he has influence over youtube’s business model decisions?
You think not having total control of an organization means he’s free of blame. Would you say that your MAGA uncle doesn’t control Trump so isn’t responsible for his actions.
Pewdiepie is literally called an influencer. He warped what many young people belief they can become today and that belief is what ushered in a world of influencers chasing the all mighty dollar. That has given all these corporations fuel to create content and that content is stealing our data, eliminating data scarcity and used to influence politics.
He’s not the cause of it but he was an inflection point and could have went in a different direction to push kids to reject this new paradigm. Instead he was the face of it.
You think not having total control of an organization means he’s free of blame
I don’t, that’s something you made up about me in your head. I think that YouTube’s business execs would always lead it to where we are now.
He warped what many young people belief they can become today and that belief is what ushered in a world of influencers chasing the all mighty dollar
He made gameplay videos. I think that’s the most benign form of “influencing” there can be. I think there are much more damaging channels that had way more sway in shaping this new generation.
Again, I’m not saying he’s a saint but I do think he’s ultimately insignificant when looking at the causes of and reasoning behind youtube’s enshittification. And I don’t think he would ever go a different direction, just doesn’t seem like the type.
He laid the groundwork for those shitty influencer. He had the attention of young people who looked up to him. The minute they saw he could make millions by becoming the walking embodiment of a Nascar fender he set the attitudes and aspirations of a generation.
Would YouTube continue without him? Yes of course.
Could he have pushed back and created helped influence a generation of kids to reject the selling out of themselves to this influencer culture? Absolutely.
There were a few influencers in those early days that could have changed things or at least maintained the zeitgeist that we had then. Nobody did. That money was too good. Everything after he made that first million would change how the internet worked.
He was the inflection point. He could have impacted everything going forward. He could have told kids that these companies were stealing their data. That they were soliciting gamers to use as Trojan horses for what would eventually make everything worse.
To call him the inflection point, as if this wasn’t a more complex change emerging over time, is ridiculous. You are clearly speaking from an outside perspective. He has never come close to flashing his wealth or showing a ‘lifestyle’, anything that has came definitively after his peak. The influencer issue was also far more complex. Instagram was the central breeding ground for those types, and twitter was still conversationally relevant.
Even if he was the inflection point, what now? You expect someone at the center of things to realize their unique position, and then realize the most morally correct thing (to you) to do about it? Patently ridiculous, hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to larger cultural movements like influencers.
Calling pewdiepie an influencer shows how little you understand that sphere. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
What is an influencer?
Since you said I’m wrong, what is the inflection point that I’m describing?
Did I say he flashed his wealth?
I do expect people to be aware of their impact, directly and indirectly, especially on kids. The more people you can potentially impact, the greater the responsibility to be aware.
Is data collection, exploiting children to sell products, and the consequences of profit-seeking something that we weren’t aware of at the time PewDiePie became famous?
I agree PewDiePie didn’t sell things to children. He didn’t need to. He was the product. I’m against commercial pressure on the internet, which seems like a radical concept now. PewDiePie didn’t need to hawk products to kids i know he did a good job with that. But he was the product. He was the point at which kids saw they could become a gamer and help commercial sites collect people’s attention and sell it to advertisers. That model is what broke everything. It turned the internet into cable television 2.0.
We already had corporate-approved media that was just a way to sell our attention. The internet, for a brief moment, was something for us. It was as close to a gift economy as we could get. It was the difference between a lawn sprayed with glyphosate to kill anything that wasn’t good old American Texas bluegrass devoid of originality, beauty, or color but looking neat and a lawn allowed to grow wild, full of weeds but also flowers, plants, and life.
PewDiePie wouldn’t have been the only one to make money, but he was the first to hit that milestone, and everything changed after that.
A win for who? Sounds like he will deter some people and attract others based on whether they think checks notes anti-Semitism is a deal breaker. Jesus Christ this is pathetic.
Antisemitism, based on that one clip where he deliberately did something controversial to check boundaries of freelancers? Perhaps it wasn’t the brightest idea he’s ever had to upload this but framing him as such is a bit much I think. Like with his bridge-incident, I don’t think anyone would seriously call him racist for that.
Yeah like how many years ago was that? Lets just believe people can’t better themselves and hold things against them forever. What an awful reality that would be
He’s too dumb to be intentionally racist but he’s a great spoke person for your cause. 🙄
Spokesperson for “my” cause? Tell me more.
You have two masters and one is problematic. It’s nice that your master said kind things about the other, but you still have two masters.
Edit: I don’t follow the guy, I only know that this is a good thing only IF y’all convince others PewDiePie is a good guy actually.
Bro are you schizophrenic? What are you talking about, I have no “masters”. And I don’t say that pewdiepie is a “good guy”, I just said that I wouldn’t judge him based on such minor things.
It’s an analogy that illustrates that you are doing his PR work in order to serve an unrelated cause. Is that clear enough to understand or do you want to send people with butterfly nets after me?
“Too dumb to be intentionally racist”? I want to understand your comment more as I feel most people who ‘choose’ to be racist are pretty stupid. I can only imagine exceptional cases like politicians or leader figures who use fear and hate to get more power.
I think you make a better point than I did. I am responding to someone looking at a racist act and insisting it wasn’t racist but stupid.
What concerns me is the implicit association people will make between him and FOSS, and anything they believe about one will carry to the other.
I have to assume there are already people who hear “Linux” and think “ugh, I wouldn’t touch that with a 10ft pole because I don’t want anything to do with Pewdiepie”. Similarly, if he says something dumb next week, and half his audience abandons him, they’ll likely have a negative outlook on FOSS going forward.
Either way, I don’t believe FOSS’ staying power comes from meteoric rises following a fad, it comes from a natural immunity to enshittification over time. On the scale of a few of decades, FOSS seems like it’s struggling against proprietary solutions. But just like the general concept of political democracy, I think on the scale of centuries it will become the clear, time-tested, least-bad option. But I digress.
If they are at that level of critical thinking they would not have survived Linux anyway so, idc.
Eh, don’t worry about it. If people are seeking out Linux for their own valid reasons, they’ll take what they need and leave what they don’t.
it comes from a natural immunity to enshittification over time.
ugh, tell me that if this bullshit with systemd and age verification isn’t true.
It’s already solved: FOSS means I can always fork/build my own package that does what I want. That’s why I mean it’s immune.
I dont really understand, is it possible to block JUST the shorts on Youtube? Any idea where i can find more about that?
I dont want to leave youtube just yet, but occasionally the shorts are melting my brain.
Okay, since I haven’t seen anyone mention it yet, you can block shorts using ublock origin. You can block pretty much any component on any website.
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Just to make sure, uNlock or uBlock origin?
uBlock Origin for sure
You can also use it to disable JavaScript which lets you bypass maybe 60 - 70% of paywalled news articles
The Unhook browser extension for Youtube lets you choose what to block. You can choose to toggle the Shorts off without toggling anything else off.
Smarttube will block shorts, works best on TVs and large screen devices.
YouTube revanced will as well, make sure you download the right one, lots of fakes out there.
Not sure if you can filter out shorts within browsers with something like ublock origin filters, may need to look into it.
Shorts are literally brainrot. Fuck tiktok, fuck shorts.
Didn’t vanced die? I’m pretty sure the continuation is revanced over at https://revanced.app/
You can get the revanced app from there or github. Vance. Did die. The revanced app has all the alternatives like morphed, rvx etc
The reddit post has the recent updates, revanced, since a lot of fake ones popped up. Be safe with apks.
I know Brave is a big no no in these woods but they offer an option to select your own Content Filtering lists and one of those is Youtube Shorts.
Fantastic privacy feature.
Also they have Paywall Blocker, AI Suggsstion Blocker… Etc etc
Did you watch the video?
“Enhancer for YouTube” add-on lets you block shorts on Firefox and Chrome.
If you are talking about the home page, I blocked the container for “featured content” using ublock, that kills short and news in the feed. If you get linked to a short, you can use a extension to redirect the URL to the normal watch player.
There is an extension for Firefox for blocking shorts. You lose the shorts button and any short you access through a link is converted into a regular, full size video.
I still use YouTube but never sign in, so basically I just search for what I wanna watch, Instead of subscribing I just have the channels I want in am RSS feed.
I might consider self hosting Invidious maybe.
cool. I’ve been thinking about this too. how do you do this? does yt host the rss feeds? or do you have to like scrape them?
https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=CHANNEL_ID
Just get the channel ID and replace that
Turn off history on youtube. From that point on you will only get shorts from the people you’re actually subscribed to and nothing else.
Oh and even with history turned off when you start a regular video from one of your favored creators, the sidebar will continue to suggest videos from other people you are not subscribed to. So you will not be completely isolated. But it will tone down the brain rot considerably.
I think it’s fairly new, but when you use search, there’s a list of filters at the top now like All, Videos, Unwatched, Watched, Recently Uploaded, etc. If you click video, it will only list videos with no shorts.
Vanced lets you remove the tab and remove the full portrait default, think it pulls shorts from results too.
A much better experience
Seconding ReVanced. RVX works like a charm. Not ready to leave the Google ecosystem just yet. But, when I do, I’ll switch to primarily using NewPipe.
I’m also keeping track of Haven as they may be an up and coming YT alternative for artists and creatives. They’re currently in seed funding so it’ll be interesting to see if they can get off the ground.
Yes, Brave let’s you do that.
While also supporting scams and homophobia
So, I support abusing women because I like The Shining and Stanley Kubrick was a loud jerk and total dick to Shelley Duvall during production?
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If you want to pirate Brave Browser, I don’t think anyone will mind.
Well he’s dead, and IIRC didn’t donate to anti-women organizations. J.K. Rowling is a better comparison.
Ok.
This is such an idiotic take. Yes i get it, Brave do try to offer some bullshit features out of the box, but there’s not many (if any) that don’t. You are not supporting scams or homophobia by using Brave.
You can very easily and quickly lock down Brave to remove all their nonsense. This is just the same like you do with other browsers so all good.
Yeah, company is shady, but browser is still grand for now if you do your own lockdown of features.
If you wish a browser rec, please go with Mullvad.
I am indeed talking about your support of a scammer homophobic company, not their slightly modified Chromium browser.
On Android you can remove shorts with Brave
Didnt know pewds is breaching into the tech sphere (from gaming).
Do I need to sub him now? :pI never cared for any of his crap until last year when he deep dived into tech. The tech videos are good, he is a generally entertaining person. The dude has unlimited time and too much money, so he gets crazy deep in the weeds. It some ways I would say he is more competent that a lot of engineers. The self-hosted LLM videos are a good start.
Mixed results.
He’s less annoying than he was covering gaming, he has some occasional hot takes, but I think overall he’s a positive influence.
His redemption arch is in full swing.
He has a video on “I switched to Linux, and you should too” and a geGoogle video
Love what you did there. Arch btw
Beyond his interest in FOSS and privacy, he’s also just mellowed out a ton, the dude is in his mid (late?) thirties and you can tell.
Dude is also wealthy as fuck. That helps a ton.
His Japan & family vlogs are also really chill - he has become much more chill and proper. If you remember him from when he got big on YouTube 10 - 15 years ago, he was a completely different person!
I don’t really remember why everyone hated him (Besides being annoying and once using a slur, for which he probably was lacking complete cultural understanding), but he was pretty young when he popped off. Not everyone changes as they age, but many people do. It’s very reasonable to say he is a different person now.
I feel it’s reasonable to recognize the wealth he has collected, and to conclude he is not my ally.
I don’t fucking care who it is, wealth hoarding causes immeasurable harm, not to mention requires a sociopathic mindset. So…yeah, I’m not even giving him a chance. I got better shit to waste my time on…
I feel it’s reasonable to recognize the wealth he has collected, and to conclude he is not my ally.
Weird take. But hey: It’s a free world and you choose your own battles.
I don’t fucking care who it is, wealth hoarding causes immeasurable harm, not to mention requires a sociopathic mindset. So…yeah, I’m not even giving him a chance.
I- I guess?
I got better shit to waste my time on…
Now that’s a mindset I can get behind!
Eh, no two ways about it. Wealth hoarding is exactly the same choice as “push the button, get a million, but someone dies”. Same fucking thing. Literally
Didnt know Pewds killed someone to get the money.
At worst he sold his soul for partnerships with brands (and sold out his morals)
I’ve never been into his content but I really enjoyed his journey to build a better local LLM. Way more technical than I thought he was capable of. I identified with his downward spiral into madness on his journey to do something completely useless but super interesting.
My printer said I should
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Blocking Ads*
What?
Now it’s correct. Just a typo I guess 😬
I fixed it, just gaslighting you.
Or maybe I’m not
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Self-hosting is a literal addiction. lol
I started with just an invidious instance and now I have my own audiobooks app that I’m also turning into a navidrome client. Did I say jellyfin and pihole, too?It really is 😅
I never thought that I’d want to spend my Saturdays fiddling with servers, but here I am
If you have bought audiobooks on audible that you would like to add to your own server, I can recomment Libation or this great docker image of it that comes with vnc so you host it headlessly on your server https://hub.docker.com/r/ceramicwhite/libation
Thank you. But Amazon will never taste a penny of my money. All of my books are downloaded from YouTube in the form of mp3 then converted to m4b.
Pihole, then Jellyfin here.
I now have way too much IT stuff on my room :D
I’m curious, is self-hosting invidious even worth it? Youtube can still see every video you pull through, right, and now it’s linked to a static ip address associated with you?
6€ a month for a VPS with self-hosted VPN :) I run all my self-hosted applications on my laptop but run it all through my VPS
I do it for iPhone and iPad for my wife (and me occasionally when I use an iPad) to watch YouTube since the official app is riddled with ads and a browser isn’t a good experience for her. She’s been loving Yattee.
Hmm, I might look into that for getting YT on Apple TV without having to tolerate All Of The Adverts. Currently I manually download using yt-dlp and put them in a Jellyfin folder.
Ha, yeah, I started on a Raspberry Pi 4 and now have spent over $2k on my server through various upgrades over the years.
Damn. That’s a lot of money. I actually didn’t spend anything on the hardware. I have a friend who gave me a dell optiplex he was about to throw away and a 2 bay Synology NAS with 8TB storage already on it when he upgraded. Been using them for 3 years now. The optiplex now runs Debian server, and the SynNAS is mounted to it as a mass storage for my stuff.
Yeah I started my journey with an old laptop but I found the precariousness of it all too stressful, always in more fear I’m gonna lose my photo library so just stuck with the cloud in the end. Nice knowing it’s there for when I need it
Fully understand that. I still pay google $10 a month for 2TB storage for that reason alone.
I think he’s a tool, but credit where it’s due: it’s great that he’s supporting the movement, and he does have a huge following.
Maybe he’s the right tool for the job
I don’t think he’s as dumb as he seems in some videos. His persona and mannerisms are very much a pan-Scandinavian thing. To me it’s a throwback to the early 00’s, when we filled our brains with plenty of Jackass, Blink 182 and Eric Cartman.
His Filthy Frank/Pink Guy aping years are definitely evident of that lol, beastmaster64 swimming into the sea to catch a Pokemon made for some funny moments.
Could swear I saw that last year or the year before
There’s some irony in that sponsor block has to block four segments of the video.
I don’t think there’s any irony in people trying to make money with their work. And I’d much much MUCH rather have them insert multiple sponsors in a video that I can just skip over than worry about ads and their constant tracking.
The irony is making boatloads of money and then pulling up the ladder behind him while he can make his money anyhow, because he’s already got a critical base under him.
Just like the boomers.
I don’t understand what’s going on with this redemption arc
Neither do I, but I’m all for it
