Of course the internet and social media amplifies the critics. But I hate the idea of blaming a not so good series on the internet and the fans. Because the reverse could also happen. And it doesn’t.
Maybe I’m not a fan because I only liked TNG, DS9, VOY and some of ENT, while not really liking much of the new Kurtzman universe/timeline. I skipped DIS as I don’t think it’s my thing. And I skipped PIC too. Still, I was convinced to try SNW on lemmy, and I liked much of it. Maybe as much as ENT. I also loved LD before it got cancelled. Even with all the usual toxicity of some fans, some positive comments and videos were able to sway me into trying them and liking them.
However, as much as I agree that some “fans” are toxic, other fans have made very detailed and logical videos about how this most recent series is bad as Star Trek. The ratio of bad reviews from pretty much all the spectrum of fans kind of confirms this, and I’m sick of seeing a lot of the past actors act like they know exactly what Star Trek is, should be, what fans should like, and if they don’t like it, it’s their fault and the internet’s fault.
“It was literally the biggest Star Trek set ever,”
It’s not because it’s litterally the biggest set ever that it makes it good Star Trek. And it’s not because he directed an episode that the writing will be better.
As we can see with the series Picard, and to an extent the movie Nemesis, sometimes actors are not exactly the best references for the canon of what they are acting. The dune buggy in Nemesis was Steward’s idea. As is a big part of the concept behind the Picard series. And having actors like Kate Mulgrew and Robert Picardo defending this and even going against some fans like me, is hurtful too. Enough so that I’m willingly distancing myself from social media and stuff related to Star Trek now. It pains me to see them push something that has lost most of its soul and blame the fans.
It’s not for me but neither was Discovery. That being said, there were folks that liked those shows and that’s great. I don’t have a problem with new Trek, SNW and Lower Decks are more my speed.
Trek is branching out. All the stuff from the 90s was episodic, fitting into the syndication template.
SNW and LD are a lot more like those 90s series, which is why I like them. It’s also the same reason I like The Orville.
Disco is a lot more like a Game of Thrones style series. There are some subplots but a lot of the show is focused on the big story.
Academy is a school drama. Not my bag but it’s definitely someone’s. But just like I’m not gonna shit on someone’s love of Buffy the Vampire Slayer - which isn’t for me for similar reasons - I’m not gonna shit on someone for liking Academy.
Fandom is such a toxic concept nowadays.
Do I personally like the show? No. But it’s not for me. I’m old. It’s a new world with new demographics to cater to and new viewers to appeal to.
So it’s perfectly okay that it’s not for me. It’s not as though my trek has vanished. It’s still there whenever I want to watch it. My trek is literally everywhere. Pluto TV, Paramount Plus, or the crap-tonne of DVD’s I’ve collected over the years.
Society has changed, writing styles have changed, audiences have changed. Get over it, people. How come people can’t not watch something while shutting the fuck up about it? Why does your dislike of a property give you the right to make other people’s lives miserable.
As social creatures, when humans form a community or identity their amygdala fires when that community or identity is threatened, exactly the same as when they’re given a physical threat.
Sounds like excuses to bully people. Just go find another show and let alone the people who want to enjoy it.
Self-proclaimed Star Trek fans gatekeeping the universe so hard that they hurt Jonathan Frakes makes me irrationally angry.
He’s one of the few genuinely good ones. Don’t be like that.
They’re not fans. It’s just shameless, mindless profiteering using the “hate gets more clicks” dogma that the incompetent media outfits have adopted as a mainstream.
There are legitimate problems with the show, as there are with all new shows. But all the assholes complaining about “wokeness” drown it out.
I don’t even like the show, but there are ways to be critical of someone’s work without being so mean that you cause them to make a public statement about it.
90% of people on the internet don’t even know what tact is anymore, and it definitely shows.
'Merica didn’t git to be back to back World War Champs by caring about FEELINGS!
Yeah honestly fuck those people.
I think the problem is that the internet is more prevalent and mainstream than back then. Like newsgroups could be downright toxic, but the majority of fans didn’t see them.
When I was watching TNG, it was either at my dads house watching it on television or discussing it with my friends in school.
I think the problem is that a lot of the current Trek shows are poorly written and waste good casts. Programmable matter? Dumb. “I swallowed my combadge”? Barf. A crying alien is the answer to why every starship in the universe suddenly explodes? Just awful.
Disco had is problems, but SFA is really a solid series and honestly I would rank it over SNW in quality. Have you actually seen it instead of complaining about minor details (the combadge, I agree that the burn was idiotic but that ship sailed with disco already)
This. TNG would trigger conservatives if it were in today.
Remember when Ricker feel in love with the non-binary alien and they had a whole discussion about pronouns? It’s been thirty years and these guys still aren’t over shit like that.
I mean just the whole Curzon, Kor, and Jadzia scene. Actually all of DS9 would send them into a panic.
Heck, most people misinterpret Roddenberry’s original intent, anyway. It always makes me laugh when people talk about Star Trek becoming woke.
Seriously. Star Trek is “woke” first and science fiction second. Gene wanted to make an integrated show, he didn’t particularly care if it was science fiction or not.
When fucking who???
Yeah, the only reason there wasn’t a concerted anti-woke campaign against Trek back then was the technology just didn’t exist to enable people with minority opinions like that to easily find each other.
Still, they were there. I remember some BBS Trek guys being “that guy” at a few Trek conventions in the 90s, they were just usually solo or in tiny groups.
Hell, TOS triggered them. The problem is that they’re all anybody hears these days.
Imagine if TNG season 1 got bad reviews but because of the tone of the reviews they didn’t bother changing anything. It wouldn’t have gotten better.
TNG actually DID get reactions like that, but they were on little newsgroup boards and shit where only serious nerds saw it. The whole origin of “i remember when startrek wasn’t for hippies/feminists/gays/liberals/etc.” sentiment originates with TNG criticism.
It was just as stupid then as it is now, but now we all apparently have to hear it.
I know, I’ve been to
alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die. But imagine if those nerds were used as an excuse not to change course. What if they said “Frakes, you can’t grow your beard or those nerds win.”Agreed. I actually don’t even think these opinions are more common than they used to be, just that they are amplified to serve the agendas of jerks who agree with them and have the resources and influence to signal boost them into actual pressure on the media.
The internet for the common man didn’t even exist in 1987. By the time TNG went off the air, it was still largely AOL chat rooms.
DS9 and Voyager were the shows for the online generation.
The internet for the common man didn’t even exist in 1987.
True, although the internet is slightly older than most (or at least many) realize: 1989 saw the first internet company with access to the public. One of the services offered was access to Usenet. And before that, BBSes has started to offer Usenet access.
Of course, the internet didn’t really explode until around 1996, I’d say. But it was growing before that.
Not invalidating your point. I think this stuff is interesting. :)
Fuck conservatives.
And specifically fuck them for making so much noise about representation that actual criticism gets drowned out.
I’m worried that the creators will think anyone who doesn’t like the show has a worthless opinion and won’t learn and improve, and may even double down.
Exactly, us woke people should be demanding better woke representation in media, not this superficial bullshit in modern Trek.
That’s my problem in a nutshell. I have no problem with woke material when done well, but i utterly detest this fake virtue signaling. It’s the exact same tripe as every fucking company having a rainbow flag on their Twitter account for the month of June. It’s performative, obvious, and infuriating that more can’t see how insulting it truly is.
I liked the last episode more than any other in the season, despite it being maybe the least Star Trek one?
Previous one was ridiculous. Oh, these “kids” are traumatised by a bad experience? Let’s fix that with theatre! All together, 'cause of course everyone can heal with the same “therapy”.
I still hope this series can turn out to be good, after all TNG itself didn’t start out great. But it seems they want to bash you over the head with emotions and ideas, rather than make you feel and develop them yourself.
As someone who desperately wanted to go to Starfleet Academy most of his life: These are not the elite kids I thought would be in it.
“I swallowed my comm badge” is something a toddler would say, not a Starfleet Cadet.
Worth remembering that this is a Star Fleet rebuilding itself from the ashes, not the Star Fleet of old
I get that, but if they’ve got cadets who swallow their comm badges they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel
That’s not an opinion you actually hold. You’re obviously saying that to generate “hate clicks.”
And this is why conservatives bitching about wokeness bother me. I can’t say things I don’t like about the show without it being dismissed as one of them.
I honestly think writers and show runners do it on purpose. They can’t write for shit, so they use bait, and when someone takes said bait, they use it to dismiss all criticism.
See Lord of the Rings, The Witcher, Star Wars, Dr. Who, Wheel of Time, Halo, Velma, Resident Evil et al. Rinse and repeat, over and over.
Known many theater kids? It’s pretty spot on actually. Entertainers in general usually use their gifts as escapism or as a safe emotional outlet.
If only Starfleet Academy was a theater school
OP pointed out that not all therapies work for all people, and you disagreed by pointing out that some therapies work for some people.
Value.
I think Strange New Worlds found its feet and has a good thing going. I hope Starfleet Academy will as well. I think the weaknesses of the first season have been foot-finding for the most part.
It’s clear they’re going for a younger demographic and I think there’s a bit of “hello fellow kids” and some misguided writing, but I’m generally willing to put up with it.
I’m not a huge fan of the touchy-feely more-talk-than-action thing in Discovery / SNW / Academy… but… eh, I can deal with it. It’s not all bad, it’s just a lot.
But Star Trek to me has never been hard sci-fi. They’ve not been afraid to be political, and I respect and appreciate that, even when it’s a bit ham-handed sometimes. They do sometimes have some good ideas and give things to think about, but mostly we get the standard tropes of the alien-of-the-week causes some problem that has a solution we’ve never seen before and will never see again. And that’s annoying, but it’s fine for entertainment.
I am entertained. And so I cannot complain too much.
A couple of these eps have been JUST so much about the people/social and I don’t care about them THAT much, but I do care about them enough to root for them in action scenes. heh.
I think overall the series is pretty good. Very dark. But that’s just the current way of things. I did like the bright Orville better, but there really are some pretty visuals in here, so… fine. heh
…one example of how Trek is not hard sci-fi: In the most recent ep, there was a series of things surrounding some planets. It was described and depicted as a “ring” when space is three dimensional and it should obviously be a sphere. But that’s hard to depict, explain, think about for most people, so they collapse everything to 2D and… it’s… it’s fine. It’s really, just fine. Annoying but fine.
The ring was shown as 2D on the 2D display, and as a 3D structure in the exterior shots
I hadn’t even heard of this till now.
Is it better than Discovery?
It is much better then Discovery, but has to work in the universe discovery created. I like it more than Picard. More or less on the same level as SNW in terms of quality. Episode 2 and 3 were bad to me, but all other episodes after that were progressively more enjoyable to very good. Episode 6 makes a boring looking antagonist better to the point I would argue it is the best we got after ENT.
I watched a couple episodes and they took the parts I liked the least about Discovery and made a whole show about them.
I concluded it’s not really made for me so I’m rewatching Lower Decks
Can you please elaborate a bit more, because I really didn’t like discovery and I don’t want to be disappointed again.
It’s much more focused on the emotional development and relationships between the characters. Academy feels like a teen drama, which isn’t something I liked even when I was a teenager.
Thx. I get it. Not for me either.
But I’m not worried. For sure something gritty and political will be made at some point in the future.
There’s still Strange New Worlds, which is one of my absolute favorites. Especially the musical episode.
I’m going to give it a miss in that case, I’ve never enjoyed that sort of drama either.
Academy is basically Harry Potter in Space.
That’s exactly what the showrunners were going for.
which is exactly why Star Trek needs new showrunners.
I think one of the problems a lot of franchises face is that there’s one, singular showrunner.
Why not open it up to multiple people, all able to tell different stories the way they want? Let a million Star Trek flowers bloom, I say.
As long as they keep the spirit of Star Trek, which barely any of the modern shows do.
Thx.
Lol yeah, this comment just confirms that you only watched half of it.
That’s a bad sign given how much I dislike Discovery and enjoy Lower Decks, thanks
For what is worth, they are doing a much better job of it. It’s never gonna be my favorite trek, but it’s not bad.
My wife, who is a Trek fan for the past 15 years or so, likes it. She didn’t care for Picard or Discovery.
With the exception of the Section 31 movie, everything they’ve made has been better than Discovery.
Academy is certainly different but I think it stands well on its own merits, including good character work, respectful use of existing canon, and a strong emotional core.
Even Picard S2? Did you just block that one out of your mind? I wouldn’t blame you.
eh, i think Academy is pretty much on par with discovery.
Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.
It’s not perfect—nothing is—but it’s impressively good and enjoyable. Yes, there are some quieter or seemingly “boring” moments from time to time, but these are usually when you need to pay attention, as they pay off big time soon after.
That being said, —and this isn’t necessarily aimed towards you personally— if you’re the kind to snub an entire series barely 5 min into it after mindlessly watching while doomscrolling, then repeatedly trashing it online to justify your lack of interest, then, no, it will not satisfy you, just like nothing else will.
Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.
Objection. I’ve seen very little professional behavior from anyone except maybe the Doctor and the Commandant, and of course Admiral Uncle. Some leeway can be granted, given the setting, but it’s something I very much miss from the TNG era.
I gave it 5 episodes. They just got progressively worse to the point of irritation, so I skimmed the episode summaries for the rest of the season and saw:
spoiler
the finale is yet another “save the entire federation (but with kids this time)” type of plot and knew it wasn’t worth wasting any more time on.
As far as modern live-action trek goes SNW is still the best by far even though the last season was terrible.
So you watched 5 episodes—half the season only, and come here to give your opinion on the matter of whether the entire series is good or not?
And you dare put the season’s big cliffhanger with spoiler on top of it?
I rest my case your honor.
Apparently it continues the story of Discovery so a lot of people don’t like it for that reason.
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I like it
Fluff off.
Go away
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I am asking a serious question, Does this show actually have any fans?
Yes it does.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that the question was asked in good faith, but I highly doubt it actually was.
My wife and I are fans, it is not without problems, but neither is TNG, or TOS.
I don’t love the show, but I would say I’m a fan. It’s way better than DISCO, that’s for sure. I have a hard time watching the timeline more than the “woke” shit haters complain about.
That’s not a “serious question”. It’s personal judgement framed in a way as to suggest it’s the obvious conclusion of any rational person, to the point it’s insulting to the show and anyone who does like it. It’s bullying behavior that only serves to poison attempts at actual discussion.
So I’ll echo the other user and say - go away.
You may have dropped right before it really started paying off.
I just love how people trash nu trek then confess they haven’t even actually listened to half of it. And this is exactly what the article above is about.
You say you hate Discovery, did you actually actively watched it? Like, ALL the episodes?
Yes. There are also people that like to lick buttholes and smell farts.
That could be caused by TNG being overall great, hence getting non-consecutive feedback wouldn’t be that common, as opposed to whatever fanfiction they’re filming these days.
Well shitty product + the internet = lots of fans complaining. Some of whom are of course going to be assholes and take it way too far.
