“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”
“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”
" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request. To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"
Where is that clip from? This is a pretty bizarre scene.
Right? Why would you conduct an interview inside a cold swedish sauna?
whatsapp < telegram < signal < session/simpleX < briar < squirrels on meth riding carrier pidgeons
So the squirrels on meth, do they have an f-droid client? Can’t find it
The squirrel working on reproducible builds for F-Droid has been a bit unreliable, so it’s not on F-Droid, yet.
At least Telegram was always available via f-droid. And good forks are also available, like the self-documentedly named Forkgram ;) Not to mention third party apps.
Signal never was, and moxie is the primary reason why the supposed secure messenger failed what amounts to literally this first requirement. This is also the reason why people were looking for other options like Wire, which eventually did deliver f-droid support, but they took their time, and by the time they did, most of the early “hype” was already dead.
I didn’t care for anything moxie had to say since, as the stench was already too strong. Celebrating his contribution to “secure” messaging in WhatsApp later was the shit-smelling cherry on top. And anyway, the last time I checked, moxie is not even involved with Signal anymore, and it has been in the hands of board suit types, some with public questionable past, for a while.
So f-droid, not encryption, is the standard.
google-play requirement/lack of f-droid is an immediate disqualifier.
Is that simpler for you to grok?
I hope your failed attempt at red-herring is accidental, and stems from lacking the ability at basic logical understanding.Oh bruh, you totally destroyed me with that epic slam
If you’re trying to get signal on Graphene or some shit without googleplay have you considered downloading it from Signal?
Admittedly it doesn’t say “f-droid” anywhere on there so maybe you have follow up questions which also don’t relate to the point of the post.
There is a fork of Signal called Molly for GrapheneOS, from the Accrescent app repo.
I understand and agree with the hate for the play store, but why the focus on f-droid in particular? There are a multitude of other repositories, or you can grab the apk from anywhere else.
F-droid is great, for now. But it is still a centralized resource, and it is perfectly capable of enshittification.
f-droid represents a distro model with a trust model and certain requirements including build ones. Think of it as the Debian of Android.
When f-droid support is mentioned, it’s not a question of mere APK availability. All APKs after all are available if you know where to look. And it just happens that f-droid compatible 3rd party repositories already exist without the strict requirements (e.g. IzzyOnDroid).
Beyond warring against any kind of third party build (don’t let me get started on forks), Signal uses google services dependencies, so it’s not just about the source of the binary APK. Note that whether these dependencies are hard, or “just!” a default, is not that relevant in my books (this is an active point of contention across many many apps).
This insistent attempt at defending this blessed supposedly secure messenger seems infinitely weirder than what any fanperson of any other app can muster! I put imaginary hypotheticals that don’t even understand the point of f-droid, like “it is perfectly capable of enshittification” into that bracket. The continuous attempt at painting a false binary of Signal and Telegram is even more pathetic.
