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The things I love the most don’t have RAM, or I already have them 🤷
Going to be fucking hilarious when all the western companies get fucked by China taking over the market they don’t seem to care about.
Hmm I know China has a big push for AI as well, I wonder what their market is looking like.
Edit: https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-much-ai-does-1-get-you-in-china Ah seems like their AI isn’t as big due to lack of access to western chips.
Don’t count on China. They are going to invade Taiwan next year and the global trade embargo will be a rounding error to the destruction of the tmsc factories during that war. Or they will capture the fabs and prohibit export to the US. Loose loose for us.
“China, a country that hasn’t invaded another country in 50 years, is going to invade this country” said the country that invades a country once a decade.
China claiming Taiwan is its territory and threatening invasion, the regular military “training exercises”, even including the specific goal of Taiwan landing operations, and continuous hybrid attacks for years already, like invasion of Taiwan waters with shipping vessels, and cyber attacks, and you’re sitting here claiming China isn’t a country that would invade others.
The what-aboutism deflection doesn’t work very well on an international comment section, either.
Technically and diplomatically, China and Taiwan are the same country
yes, because what happened in the past can perfectly predict what’s going to happen next.
not saying you are definitely wrong, but if someone wants to have a bet i wouldn’t bet on the side of China not invading.
Spoken like an American
China a country that has been trying to unify Taiwan since the civil war they couldn’t quite finish.
When you live in the imperial core of one of the most militaristic nations in the history of the world, everything seems like a provocation.
What is loose, certainly not your anus right? Or, maybe it is!
They’ve been going to invade Taiwan next year for the last 30 years
If they do it Trump strikes “a deal” to give them Taiwan. That’s my bet.
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I don’t understand this thing about anyone destroying those factories for any reason. I don’t think that would happen.
AI is the last great bubble.
And it, like all bubbles, will pop.
You are already seeing the people in the know flee the field.
You see reports that every company that has adopted it has at best changed nothing, at worst lost money on it.
Outside of the psychotic linked in CEO bubble, literally no one wants AI. And every day its generating more and more hate due to its halucinations, mistakes, and bullshit.
Its garnering massive negative attention for its use, and for anyone stupid enough to adopt it at this point (cough intel cough)
Its a dying star, and people are frantically trying to harvest the last bits of warmth from it before going off in search of new horizons.
I can only assume you haven’t used it for anything it’s good at lately. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Just like we still have websites after the dot com bubble, there will still be LLMs after the AI bubble pops.
The only stories I’ve ever heard of involving AI are told by people who, once again, are unable to see how their increase in productivity is not being met with a reduction in work hours. Unless, or course, “reduction in work hours” means they are being shown the door so a different idiot can do kore work for the same amount of pay.
Why does everyone feel the need to do as much as possible as quickly as possible at all times of every single day? And why are most people I talk to using ChatGPT to replace Google searches so they don’t need to actually think?
We all need to slow the fuck down.
worker productivity continues to climb ever higher, yet wages never grow with it.
take someone from the 1950s office and ask them to do the same amount of work that an officer worker today does, and they’d quit on the spot. especially since they’d be paid less today than they were in the 1950s as far as buying power goes.
No, I dont use it.
I get enough hallucinations and blatant lies from biologicals, I don’t need an AI erasing a mountain to consume the coal underneath to tell me made up bullshit.
Certainly, but hopefully you won’t turn on your PC and have 50 popups and 10 different buttons blinking and getting in the way of each other begging you to try AI.
What’s your source for that. China has no more reason to invade Taiwan next year than they have at any point in the last 30 years
Umm hundreds of Chinese ambassadors to Xi Himself. How many do you want I’ll start pulling them.
China has been wanting to reunite with Taiwan ever since the founding of the PRC. the reason has always been there, and right now they are more ready than ever.
keep a close eye on what Chinese military is doing.
Why are they more ready now than they were 2 years ago? Politically nothing has really changed I know Americans like to think that Trump is a big factor but he isn’t, since even he is just as bullish on China as any other US president has been and it’s not as if the military is left.
Well, our economy is collapsing from bad debt and inflation, we’ve alienated ourselves from our ally’s, we’ve relocated aircraft carriers and are starting new wars.
It’s honestly a great time for china to exert some force.
you really are asking me to do the research for you huh.
a quick web search finds me:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/dec/29/china-live-fire-military-drills-around-taiwan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLA_Navy_landing_barges
and it’s not hard to find more.
Why would they need to invade Taiwan? They already have their own companies making RAM.
they have more than practical reasons.
It’s called unfinished business. Xi is not going to give up on reunifying all of china. They got their Hong Kong now they need the Taiwan
It’s well known that Taiwan has all strategic factories mined. If a single Chinese soldier steps on the island, anything industrial of value will be blown to bits. China is interested in the land.
Good thing AI sucks
And they told me I was crazy for putting 64 gigs into my machine back in early 2021. I “only” paid about 200 USD
I bought a netbook (GPD Win Max 2) with 64GB of RAM last year. It was really expensive, by 2025 standards.
But now I feel like I have the power of the universe in my jacket pocket. Best irresponsible buying decision I ever made.
I got mine 2 (or shit, is it 3 now) years ago - 10/10 best laptop purchase in a long while.
GPD have done well for themselves in the small screen laptop space!
I knew somehow similar thing would happen in coming years. Alas, I had neither money nor requirement for that.
Same
Go ahead, make a lucrative market for consumer ram, see how fast china figures out how ot start filling that need :)
I’m fairly certain that spinning up RAM fabs isn’t super quick nor something that doesn’t require the most cutting edge tech.
China is definitely ahead of the US in a lot of tech, but unless they do invade Taiwan they might not have quite a deep enough bench.
Ram doesn’t require anywhere near the tech we need for processors.
They’re going this kind of thing for processors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUHjLxm3V0
Ram uses tech that’s way older. and for our needs, they can just stack smaller, low density chips
And if they complain, just shout “free market” at them
The reason RAM prices went up 4x is that a massive amount of not-yet-manufactured memory was bought with money that doesn’t really exist to be put into GPUs that haven’t been made yet, to be installed in data centers that haven’t been built, powered by infrastructure that may never exist, to satisfy demand that isn’t actually there, in order to generate profits that are mathematically impossible.
😎
All that to create Artificial Intelligence that isn’t really intelligent.
What do you mean?
Just walk the car wash!
The price crash is going to be great. Such a massive yo-yo. Most of the AI companies will just completely eat shit out of it.
Yes and no. The hardware companies have already said that they’re not interested in expanding production. They know it’s a bubble, and don’t want expanded production now to cause a glut in the future when the inevitable pop happens. So prices may not actually drop, (even after the pop), because the companies still won’t be producing more hardware than they currently are.
My best guess is that we’ll have some dark data centers sitting around collecting dust, but the hardware they bought won’t actually flood the market and crash prices. If anything, since the US dollar’s value is essentially tied to Nvidia and OpenAI’s market share, a pop will only make the dollar less powerful and will counteract any potential drops in prices that may have otherwise happened. The companies will get a trillion dollar bailout when the pop happens, (because they’re too big to fail) then nothing will change about the current hardware prices.
…except that PC sales will fall off a cliff, so they won’t have a market to sell to. Its not like you need a PC to access the internet anymore.
Are you just like, completely unaware of workplaces?
So prices may not actually drop, (even after the pop), because the companies still won’t be producing more hardware than they currently are.
There’s also the risk that they simply may not drop the price even after, because the customer base can bear that price, so it becomes the new normal.
All the ram being bought up is going to end up in the 2nd hand market as the hardware is all liquidated out. The prices will crash, and despite manufacturers not increasing their productions lines to build more ram, will still have to compete against themselves from the used market, meaning they won’t be able to keep trying to charge crazy high prices.
The problem is it’s manufacturing capacity that is being bought. They’re going to use that capacity to build HBM modules and data centre GPUs that cannot run outside of specialized servers. There will be a lot of high end gear gathering dust, but nothing you or I can use.
Maybe if you’re a large business/enterprise you could get some hardware on the cheap during the crash, but it’s not ot like those things are full of DDR5 DIMMs and RTX GPUs.
Well that sucks. I dug into your info a bit as well, and it seems true. Registered ecc ram that servers tend to use won’t work on consumer desktops.
Good thing I don’t plan on upgrading my PC for at least a few more years.
As a side note, I’m pissed off the ram and storage inventory issue has delayed Valves new steam VR headset release. I’ve never bought VR anything before and was looking forward to it.
On the bright side, at least the entire global economy isn’t ridiculously overextended on this delusional bubble.
Did you use ChatGPT to write this?
I‘m switching hobbies to gunpla. No one has managed to put DRAM in an airbrush to the best of my knowledge.
i mean, i thought you were wanting to save money…
Just you wait. Ai airbrushes are coming soon
Yet
I can’t wait till these companies shutter their AI shit and that supply gets dumped back into the market
Knowing real life some other party will juice it and ride the ram shortage for another few years, just keeping the supply as a speculative income stream.
Sadly a lot of this is chiplet interposer mounted HBM and not UDIMMs. The HBM cannot be removed from the products it’s installed from so unless you want an H100 it won’t be off much use. The remainder is mainly server RDIMMs and LRDIMMs. UDIMMs for desktops are in short supply because they cut manufacturing to make other things.
My most recent hobby has been an old Suzuki Samurai that I dragged out of the woods a few years ago. It doesn’t use much RAM. It doesn’t even have fuel injection.
I’ve also been getting back into archery with my kid.
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think that making it harder to get a computer and play games is a huge miscalculation. If everyone is distracted by Call of Battle: Dutyfield then you have fewer bored assholes casting about for something to do, and if people can still play Factorio, you don’t end up with bored, autistic, organized assholes casting about for something to do.
AI’s are more important than humans now. I guess we should get used to this. Line must go up.
Line must goes up until it hits a ceiling, then system collapses… but line go up again after!
I’m aware, thanks.
Now I’m just contemplating whether I should upgrade from 32 GB DDR4 to 64 or 128 while it’s still within the realm of possibility, or bet on memory prices coming back down within the next few years, and upgrade to an entirely new platform with DDR5 then.
At least I’m not planning on buying a brand new car anytime soon, or even a nearly new one. And my phone’s fine for a few more years.
Just get a 256GB SSD and boom, cheap RAM - albeit slow
Those are also unobtainium.
Read/write cycles are absurd with RAM. One good way to break SSDs if I am getting this correctly.
I’ve already got a 64 gig swap file to complement my 32 gigs of RAM tbh. I just wish I didn’t have to swap lol
What do you need all that ram for?
fr. huge war is going on and people worry about playing the latest games on their pcs lol
Since you asked: some games or if running heavy processors for simulated projects
Not everyone just uses their box for writing emails and surfing TikTok.
Or for things like video editing. Video editors tend to be quite RAM heavy.
Absurd stuff in Blender
SOMEONE has to render boobies with 30k polygons in 8K, it’s an important foundation of the Internet
To get rid of swap and mount /tmp entirely in RAM. Right now I only have 32 gigs and a 64 gig swap file to compensate.
Anyone remember RAMdisks?
remember that ram drive that gigabyte made like 20+ years ago?
That worked by putting sticks of ram in it, with… i think AA batteries? to maintain the data during power downs?
DCS
What if the unintentional consequence of hardware hoarding by AI companies is we have fewer devices being made that spy on us, like smart TVs and appliances.
The idea is that in the future your “personal computer” will be a streaming stick that you plug into a monitor to access your Microslop Copilot Windows 12 OneDrive Azure Cloud Virtual PC for $99 a month.
Yup, they’re 100% trying to shift towards cloud computing. It has already been happening with gaming, and many players have decided that they’re okay with a slightly worse experience if it means they can run their games on a potato PC. Tech companies see the blood in the water, and know that there is money to be made in cloud computing. Everything is shifting to SAAS, so it only makes sense that hardware will be a subscription next.
Thats a nightmare :(
A terminal would require more RAM, not less.
I’d just point out that now might be a good time to add a whole-house surge arrester and/or get a bunch of new surge arresting power strips for your hardware. They have a useful life measured in joules dissipated so replace them if they’re old too or your cheap RAM (among other things) may let out the magic smoke one day.
I think calling it a RAM shortage is a bit incorrect. It is not like we are running out of raw materials or something else in the supply chain is broken. It’s shitty AI companies buying RAM that is not existing yet with money they don’t have. Unfortunately there’s no good term for that, I guess.
Supply monopolization?
Consumer fraud?
Sherman Act cartel market manipulation.
Section 1 of the Sherman Act prohibits price fixing and the operation of cartels, and prohibits other collusive practices that unreasonably restrain trade.
It’s called Imaginary Economics.
It tends to happen right before a capitalist system fails.
Is this a thing? Because what comes to mind for me is “the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent,” which just happens sometimes
It tends to happen right before a capitalist system fails.
How often does this happen that we can claim this correlation? 🤔
About once every 350 years… With a sample size of 3… 😅
So you’re saying which empires/systems exactly then?
Spain perhaps? The Holy Roman empire?
I was averaging roman, British and Mongolian empires, based on Google AI summary, so take that with a pinch of salt 😅 🧂
Better than no samples I guess!
It’s about to. The very nature of it, means you can only have a sample size of one.
And when do you predict this will occur? When should I have built my nuclear shelter so I know when to start building it?
Too late for that I’m afraid. It already happened. It just takes a while before the [citation needed] folks understand that past performance is not a guarantee for future success.
Lol sure, any time now, just one more year bro, just one more year and it will collapse bro, promise.
Maybe the usa will collapse a bit (because those people are often americans that don’t know there are other countries out there) but that’s another story.
I highly recommend staying ignorant honestly. It’s a much lighter burden to carry than seeing all the datapoints and seeing the collapse as a certainty. Have a good life, seriously.
Can I coin the term imagineomics?
I’m not holding my breath.
We’ve been hearing about an AI crash practically since the hype train started.
It’s the biggest bubble seen to date. It has all the characteristics, and it will crash eventually.
People can see the trends and see how it will probably break down in some way, the problem is that the market can stay irrational longer than we can stay solvent. It helps that these dipshits seem to have forgotten that money equals abstract resources and creating new resource issues that’ll certainly put pressure on them in a more direct way either through legislation or via sabotage of required infrastructure.
[citation needed]
When has this happened before?
The term was well established centuries ago.
FRAUD
I like electron finance
Their exact location cannot be pinpointed; instead, they exist in a probability cloud where they are likely to be found at any given time.
That’s what this hype cycle is founded on. If I lend you $5, you have $5 you can lend further. Now, we each still have a right to $5, so we can lend that debt obligation again for $4.50. Now we have, somehow, a market value of $19.
Until someone looks, then it’s probably 0.
Yes there is: it’s a Ponzi scheme (AI companies will fail when they get no new funds to pay off the stockholders)
Are they paying off stockholders?
They are creating staggering shortsighted profits, so yes, they are doing that. And of course ignoring what a bubble does in the long run.
Those who bail out only.
Unfortunately there’s no good term for that, I guess.
Market manipulation?
A mismatch between supply and demand is called a shortage. The source is irrelevant.
It’s a racket, plain and simple. There used to be laws against this sort if thing.
It’s a racket, plain and simple. There used to be laws against this sort if thing.
Keyword: used to
I hope that it was worth it, and that America is great again. Let me just check some news articles… Oh my
It is a shortage caused by artificial demand rise.
It’s shitty AI companies buying RAM
It’s greedy manufacturers selling it all to them in the first place and other market segments be damned.
I’m no AI fan but the manufactures aren’t angels either.The shovel makers and shovel sellers always get rich in a gold rush
If your boss offered you a raise for the same work, would you turn it down?
Not the same.
The money is fixed. You getting a raise means the money has to come from somewhere- which means the boss taking a pay cut or the customers paying more.
Still not the same, i don’t work for any of those manufacturers - and if i did i sure as hell wouldn’t care if their CEOs got a paycut to benefit the consumers. Won’t someone please pity the CEOs…
I’m referring to the relationship between someone offering you more money for the same work the difference of which gets passed on to consumers.
A few consumers are going to a business and offering more money for the same work. The consumer is the business’s boss just like your boss might offer you more money. You aren’t going to turn down the raise because it will hurt other consumers just like the business isn’t going to turn down the money even though it will cost other consumers more.
and if i did i sure as hell wouldn’t care if their CEOs got a paycut to benefit the consumers
I brought that up because that wasn’t going to happen. If you get a raise, your boss isn’t going to take a paycut to make it happen. The raise comes from the consumers.
We have RAM supply shortage.
Now better? god…
. . . And then the market will be flooded with RAM that companies preordered and can’t pay for, because the AI bubble burst before it could be manufactured.
Hey, I can dream, right? And seriously, I would be quite happy if this causes an increase in dumb appliances, devices, and cars in the meanwhile.
Most of the lithography that is dedicated to RAM is being done for HBM modules, which are not consumer grade. So more likely it will end up in landfills.
Or new consumer HBM modules
Chip designs take years, so if there’s a sudden glut of HBM, there’s no good way to put it to use outside of existing designs.
That being said, a lot of LPDDRX is being produced for Nvidia servers and a few other systems. That would be useful. Doubly so if we packaged as LPCAMM.
My AMD GPU has HBM.
These are giant dedicated HBM chips that are on the motherboard, they won’t be going into any GPUs.
HBM are thinned die stacks which are assembled at the GPU periphery using silicon interposers. My AMD GPU has HBM. In case of HBM overproduction post-bubble we might see resurgence of GPUs with HBM rather than GDDRx.
When the bubble bursts it will play out exactly the same as it always does. The government will use money it doesn’t have to bail out the too-big-to-fail companies causing runaway inflation, rates will be jacked up to bring inflation down causing a recession, we will all get laid off, and by the time everything starts to stabilize and we have disposable income something will happen to make prices untenable again.
I hear here a lot that the AI bubble will burst. And I wish this was true. But is there any indication for it? Crypto and GPU bubbles didn’t burst. I worry that it’s just another Lemmy circlejerk.
They’re already hedging by trying to rent you products instead of selling
