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Fighting the Unions in Sweden. Good fucking luck, better prepare to pack your bags and leave.
The Nordic countries make up five of the top six most unionized countries, with Sweden being in 3rd place.
Good luck beating them, Tesla! You’re gonna need it.
As the articles says
Around 90 percent of employees in Sweden are covered by a collective bargaining agreement
And while Tesla doesn’t have to fight 90 percent of all employess yet. If they’re bringing in strikebreakers all unions must act to not let a prescedence happen.
Not only their own employees would strike, but also employees of suppliers and everything that is connected to Tesla so nothing will reach the company unless Elon personally swings into a truck and drives the stuff into his factories.
Unionized and in the automotive sector. Would 100% strike in support of the Tesla workers. I’d rather see Tesla leave Sweden than have them succeed in this.
This is where the game of chicken is. The only question it boils down to is does Elon love winning pointless battles that require self sacrifice or does he love money? It’s a hard question tbh but I think deep down we know he’s a money grub as a priority, in which case he’ll cave and compromise to keep selling cars in Sweden
I don’t know about Sweden but bringing in scabs is generally illegal in Germany. That is, you can’t bring in temporaries, you can, of course, hire more people but then you’ll have to keep them, and of course they can strike.
Amazon was quite successful keeping unions out here because the kind of people they employ aren’t terribly union-affine, also, noone wants to stay at amazon anyway, but Tesla? A car manufacturer up against IG Metall? In East Germany? Tesla can either cave, leave, or get beaten into submission.
I think they forget the difference between America unions and European unions
They always do. Walmart completely running against a wall in Germany is still getting a chuckle out of me.
And Sweden is two steps above Germany in that refard. So good luck to Tesla to not get stomped. I’d wish the unions luck, but they don’t need it.
If IF Metall is stronger than the biggest and strongest union in Germany IG Metall, he’s fucked.
I remember reading once about how James Cameron was all too happy to take millions in tax cuts to film Aliens in England, but then became a little crying bitch when he realized that English unionized workers actually protect their workers. He got mad that they wouldn’t work through lunch or breaks, or work in his insane schedule or whims, or do dangerous work. Made me lose a lot of respect for Cameron.
I didn’t know this. It’s psychotic to expect everyone to be on the same page as the guy who gets most of the credit, rewards and freedom of expression. Especially if you’re only job is to bring the coffee
There was an interview with a swedish spokeperson from tesla published the other day, they had no idea that what they were doing is against laws and contracts
Good. The whole point of a union is to band together and work towards better conditions for all their members.
“But we don’t sign those anywhere else!” is not a good argument by Tesla
It is a great argument. It shows that there is no point negotiating with them civilally. The only language they understand is force. So the strike needs to be maintained until Tesla ist forced to either agree to the Union contract or give up their factory.
They are finding the difference between a global corporation vs a multi-national corporation.
Tesla seems to be about to learn some hard lessons about workers rights in various EU countries. lol
They aren’t the first and they won’t be the last to learn. Another hilarious example was Walmart trying to get into the german market.
Meanwhile Aldi & Lidl are spreading through the US.
Not sure if true, but at least they are really advertising not too bad salaries at least for Switzerland. They were talking about 4’500 chf for a entry level worker. Which isn’t bad at all.
If they give good compensation in the US, I’m sure they will be as popular as cosco.
Lidl products also are pretty good too.
The NLRB just made a new ruling that states if companies are found to have committed illegal acts during unionization election efforts will be forced to immediately bargain with the union rather than just have to run the election again. We’re still not as strong as Europe when it comes to workers rights, but we’re getting better.
Do it fash. I fucking dare you.
Our “strikebreakers” will just wreck Tesla’s factories like they did Kellogg’s.
That is awesome!
Hah! Idiots. Typical Americans, thinking they can just ignore ‘the poor people’ like they do in the US.
Good fucking luck. Being a strikebreaker is among the most dishonorable things you can be in Sweden.
I’m in the US, and if someone I knew was a “strikebreaker” I’d be absolutely disgusted and I’d make that known to them.
Break them Sweden. Make it so they can never claim they don’t sign collective bargaining agreements again.
Unfortunately, companies can tell whatever bullshit lies they want in the US.
The company is refusing to sign one, IF Metall has reported, saying that company claims that it doesn’t sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world.
Well then you fucking should.
Then don’t do work in Sweden, simple as that.
Bring out the strikebreakerbreakers.
We brought out Anton Nilsson once, then the strikebreaker ship Amalthea got bombed.
Wow, that biography is a wild ride, culminating in “his 100th birthday, during which Anton Nilson himself held a speech lasting for several hours”.
Best of luck to the Swedish workers at the Tesla plant in any case.
That’s kinda fucked up, dude killed some people, never apologized (just that he regretted they got killed at his trial), and dude gets a full pardon?!
I’m not saying he should have been executed, but a full pardon is insane.
After 9 years, most of which as forced labor. Perhaps a bit light of a sentence, but still quite a long time.
I just don’t know enough to be sure how I feel. Besides the two people he killed he also injured another 23. What was the thought process for the bomb? From the article and the pictures it was well above the waterline and so based on the size of the hole the bomb would never have sunk the ship. Was he just young and inexperienced, not realizing his bomb wouldn’t sink the boat? Was he malicious and just trying to kill people? Was he trying to scare people and not really cause any harm?
Depending on the answers to these answers he’s either a monster or an inexperienced kid and I can see cause for leniency or none.
Also, looking at the rest of his history I doubt he would have offered the same pardons he received.
As I understand the story, there was huge international pressure on Sweden to release these three men, because the bombing was deemed to be a justified defense against the company’s use of strike breakers by at least part of the unionist movement back then.
Sort of your freedom fighter is my terrorist and vice versa thing.
The terrorist Anton Nilsen was sentenced to death, but the hero of the fight against strikebreaking Anton Nilsen was released after 9 years forced labour.
It might be a case of present morals/ethics being applied to the past, but it’s kinda fucked up. It’s literally justifying murder and terrorism. Fighting against strike breaking companies is certainly a admirable, but doesn’t justify killing people.
I’m pretty sure a lot of people shared your opinion on the pardon even back then. I do. I think it would have been okay to grant some lenience to them because of noble motifs, like not handing out a life sentence instead of a death sentence or 20 years instead of life for his accomplices. On the other hand – WWII started a wild time in the world with revolutions, armed conflict (look up the strike culture in the US in the early 20^th century!), civil wars and full scale wars all over the place where the life of a human being was not worth a lot. Probably the morals regarding blowing up strike breakers of today and of 1908 are more alike than these of 1908 and 1917.
Dear vikings, please rip them a new one.
Not the first time an American company has tried this :) https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/in-brief-toys-r-us-settles-labor-dispute-that-made-headlines-in-sweden.html
Tesla opens factory in space, everyone suffocates, Tesla argue “well we don’t need to provide oxygen in other places”…
Chuds.
Musk is a giant turd, his lackeys and bootlickers are even worse. He representes everything wrong with super rich. People should stop taking his shit and fuck him off whenever the opportunity arises.
I am 100% on the side of the workers and hope they manage to give him the figurative boot.
I’ve seen people turn away from him.
Don’t let shite 'Murican “ideals” infect the Nordics!
Americanism is a cancer and the US is a terorrist state. Fuck every single thing about that.
