The conclusion, then, is not a lurid morality tale about “bad people doing bad things,” nor the tired revelation that royals, celebrities, or billionaires behave with impunity. That much is already obvious. Child abusers exist across every class and every society. What does not exist everywhere is a system that records, archives, weaponises, and protects that abuse for strategic ends.

The Epstein case points not to isolated depravity, but to structured leverage: an architecture of blackmail in which sexual crimes become instruments of power rather than grounds for prosecution. That is why the fixation on individual scandal – princes, parties, and gossip – functions as misdirection.

The real scandal is the evidence of an intelligence-linked operation in which Mossad repeatedly appears as a point of reference, protection, and utility; an operation that embedded itself across politics, finance, media, and celebrity culture.

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      I feel like all governments that are a part of the 5 eyes should have been naturally, aithenticly, and genuinely overthrown by any person that claims to give any fucks about the human race. Maybe eventually an honest war will start.

      I couldn’t live without my sports, iPhone, and Hollywood though. Soooo worth it throw it all away for some other entity to completely own humanity. /S It’s time to do our best detox from what is not truly necessary.

      All the main intelligence agencies own the world.

      We aren’t coming back from this as a species and we didn’t just start to lose touch, we’ve been running on an arrogant and ignorant high for decades.

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        we’ve been running on an arrogant and ignorant high for decades

        Only decades? I’d go back centuries.

        We aren’t coming back from this as a species

        I disagree. I still believe in us. We are the most co-operative animal on the planet. We can do better. We need to abolish capitalism and other forms of coercive power, but once we have done that, I genuinely believe that the human race can be an incredible force for good.

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          I believe that bearboiblake is … almost right.

          Transformation requires duration: you can’t just spontaneously-transform like those idiotically-naive hollywood/bollywood idiocies program people to believe…

          I know that the vast majority of humankind is committed to enforcing ideological-totalitarianism, against objectivity+correct-reasoning.

          Therefore the portion of humankind which can survive The Great Filter, this-century, is small, & it’ll only survive if it becomes good at surviving overwhelmingly-bad odds, consistently.

          The remnant of humankind can be an incredible force for good, next century, … if there is one.

          but there’s another error, in there, too: coercive re power.

          Is RuleOfJustLaw coercive, against corruption?

          Absolutely.

          Is RuleOfCorruption coercive against all who value integrity?

          Absolutely.

          BOTH are coercive, just of different factions.

          There is the problem.

          Correctness requires force-controlling corruption, exactly as corruption’s-rule force-controls/limits correctness.

          Neither side is free-from coercion: they only apply it against different subsets of our world.

          There is a concept in engineering called the “bathtub curve”, in failures-of-a-good-product:

          some fail right at the beginning of the product’s design-life, then very-few fail, for the design-life, then many fail at the end of it.

          The same shape-of-curve, however, is optimal for rights:

          Make the extremes illegal, but make as much majority as you can be legal, & keep, through quality-education, people evolving in the right-direction, so their children can have better lives, & their children can do even better, again…

          So, civilization’s optimization requires that coercion be in-place against treason, butchery-of-the-commons, maliciousness, machiavellianness, etc,

          WHILE helping as many have their-own-growing-up, their-own-autonomous-validity, etc…


          To be blunter, those who won’t control DarkTriad’s gaining-control of civilization, help DarkTriad’s gaining-control of civilization, even if their making-believing is that everybody inherently isn’t DarkTriad: they may be criminally-nonresponsible, in their handing the world to the enemy, but the consequences are the same as if they’d been malicious/machiavellians who were doing it.

          Naiveness doesn’t exempt one from consequences.

          & in the universe, compromise & difficulties always crop-up when one tries implimenting things, because “the devil is in the details”.

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    Mossad is a terrorist organization. What can you expect from them? Law and Order? Mossad is opposite of Law and Order. They blackmail or kill, whatever is more beneficial for them.

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    Besides the speculations about Israel and Russia having some relation to Epstein’s “work” (which sure looks like a honeypot, even if typically the operator of a honeypot doesn’t dive into honey) there is another avenue of extortion open currently.

    It is imaginable that US special services could offer people “deals” worded like:

    • “would you like your name to be redacted from, or published with the Epstein files?”

    …and it’s foreseeable that some people would do a lot to have their name redacted. I hope that in the DoJ, it’s a large crew of many people doing the redactions, since that would reduce risk of someone trading favours.

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        With all the powerful people behind this though, any leaker would commit suicide according to the authorties within a week.

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      Epstein might not have been the main operator. Ghislaine was there as well, and not quite as stupid as him.

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          How else are we gonna justify US defense spending?

          We tried the war on terror, that didn’t keep the public scared for much more than a few years. Now Russia, THAT’S an enemy you can propagandize against! They’re godless commies AND they hate gays!

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      Ex anti-Russian Brit spy who publishes unsourced and discredited Russian rumors claims it’s Russia. Story at 11.

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        Steele’s work is excellent. I read the dossier he produced on Trump and it was highly accurate. It also specified when sourcing was not confirmed, such as the claim Trump had had prostitutes urinate on a Moscow hotel bed the Obamas had once slept in (what is colloquially called the pee tape). But his prediction ROSNEFT would split off 20% and sell this to an intermediary buyer for Trump and the Republicans actually did happen. And that was the real meat of his report.

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    I’ve started thinking that it’s not so much about blackmail after all, instead it’s about connections and relationships.

    Consider this: Epstein clearly had thousands of customers. I don’t have any actual number in my head, but clearly it must have been a lot and seemingly everybody knew about it. Like, if you look at how many people are related to all this, it’s impossible to think that nobody knew anything. Probably, a very large number of people knew what was going on; but nobody bothered to do anything about this. Why? Because they didn’t care. To them, it was just business as usual, everybody’s all in on this anyways, those that aren’t have no actual power, so who’s gonna do anything?

    Like, even if it did get public, i’m pretty sure most of the people involved felt certain enough that nothing bad would happen anyways. Considering there were mostly no consequences till today, they’re mostly right, i’d say.

    Instead, they just used the parties and connections as a networking platform, getting to know other influential people and stuff. That’s IMHO the bigger reason why mossad is involved in all of this. Not for blackmailing purposes, but to be in the center of a network of connections that gives them a lot of strategic influence in the world.

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    It’s so jarring to me to hear a sentence structured like that, and I can put my finger on why. It sounds like it was written by Charlie Kelly.

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      I highly suggest everybody give the woman a listen. She is on point.

      What’s happening is bigger then simply the ICE issue, and bigger than trump and the Republicans or the democrats… We are fucked and need to get serious.

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      All you do is post Western propaganda and should at least be marked as such.

      Interesting at which kind of posts you find the need to comment on.