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With names like that aren’t they immigrants too?
Ah, i see.
These guys were career CBP, NOT new hires. That means ALL CBP is trained and held accountable to the same level as them, and has been for over a decade.
It’s probably not a training issue, it really is a culture and accountability matter. Certainly the training isn’t going to give any real effort to trivialities like “Constitutional rights” and “Due Process,” but that’s not the root of the problem. They’re not blatantly violating constitutional rights because they don’t know any better. They’re doing it because they don’t care and they KNOW , rightly or wrongly, that the worst any of them will face for it is a slap on the wrist and a veil from the public eye. They know that in all probability their superiors will be mad about the OPTICS of murdering someone in the street, they’ll be mad that they got CAUGHT executing someone in cold blood, not that it happened in the first place.
This culture of iron fisted brutality is exactly the sort of thing anyone who could be described as “Career CBP,” especially given recent events, would embrace as a loosening of restraint rather than the abject amoral, unconstitutional abuse that it is.
This along with things like border patrol operations covering 100 miles inland from every border needed to be fixed years ago IMO.
I do think it’s super important to point this out. This wasn’t a greenhorn or a training failure. This was done by people who have been in there for a long time. This speaks to the caliber and type of person ICE and CBP have been hiring for years.
I mean I figured it was the case that whoever shot him wasn’t just some rookie, but DHS was even attempting to leak to the press this was just a big whoopsie on account of the new guys being inexperienced, unprofessional, and startled easily.
I still don’t buy this wasn’t intentional. Nobody puts 10 bullets (in 2 separate rounds of firing) in somebody who’s already been disarmed and incapacitated by accident. Even for Border Patrol that was excessive. Definitely not the first time they’ve encountered protestors, but the first time a “border czar” happened to be waiting in the wings with the promise this could all be over so quickly if local police would just start rounding people up and handing them over to DHS so that “ICE and Border Patrol could stop putting themselves in danger.”
Same goes for the one who shot Goode, he’d been ICE for 10 years.
I’ve seen enough bad cop videos of situations escalating out of control for this not to be a surprise. Our military is trained better at de-escalation tactics than our domestic forces.
tick tock
I hope this defines them for the rest of their lives.
I hope this defines them for the rest of their short lives.
ftfy
And I hope the rest of their lives is measured in days.
Pulling up the ladder to the extreme. I hope this is false propaganda.
Honestly I somehow picture this spinning in 2 directions.
Maga’s going to find a way to claim illegal immigrants infiltrated ICE, and that’s the reason why there’s violence now… so we need more ICE to deal with Illegals.
Well, seeing that the white nationalist group the “Proud Boys” (show tunes are so manly you guyz! the Proud Boys are rock-hard macho men, unlike the liberal soy boys! There is nothing the least bit homoerotic about our little boys’ club!) was being run by Henry Tarrio, someone who is decidedly not white, things sure have gotten very weird.
Of all the various videos I’ve seen of Taco’s terrorists in Minneapolis and elsewhere, it does seem like quite a few people of color seem to be in their ranks…as a white guy, I don’t know how on Earth I’d live with myself doing that job, but I would think it would be even worse for someone that is brown or black targeting mostly brown and black people and disappearing them…
So these two are CBP, not ICE. CBP is much more often the people on the border searching for drugs, not the people rounding up undocumented immigrants. People of color might sign up for CBP thinking they could help lower the amount of fentanyl being smuggled in. Now, these two specific guys are clearly in it to hurt people, regardless of their skin color.
Sam L’s character in Jango kinda energy, y’know?
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The D
jangois silentFair enough
I mean look, if you’re let’s say 2nd or 3rd gen immigrant, Spanish speaking, systemically excluded from the white collar economy, it’s a good gig. Saying no to career paths is a privilege, one that I have also as a white dude 100% enjoyed.
While I can see even being an agent and enforcer… it’s possible to be a good guy in desperate situation, no different than how I can see someone might turn to a mobster or gangster that way. Hell even the “If I don’t do it, someone worse will take the job, I can at least do it with as much compasion as the job allows”.
Those excuses kind of go out the window though when they start shooting a prone, disarmed, pepper sprayed guy. I can hate the organization, and note it has horrible training. Being desperate enough to join ice is one thing… however you’d think that would lead to being as non horrible as possible in the job. As not every ice incident leads to a shooting, it’s still fair to say the ice agents that do shoot peaceful protestors are clearly the worse of the worse.
I get what you’re saying but I also hate that shit. These people made choices! And ok let’s say it was between signing up for a fascist position or being homeless, they made the choice that it’s better to cause pain to someone else before themselves. Also, we’re assuming they didn’t have other choices which is probably biased in itself. End of the day, you don’t get a pass to torture and kill others for your own survival.
Oh god - anything but ICE ICE
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I was thinking hooray for them for putting their names in the actual headline, but at least they put their names above the fold.
Propublica still has journalistic integrity. Unfortunately it’s rare lately.
I feel like you can count the few that remain on one hand.
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They are reprogrammable meat bots.
These are the people that pretended to give a rip about freedom, the Constitution, states’ rights, and claimed they were creating weapon arsenals to fight a government that has gone rogue and so on.
Many of them also recently claimed to have supported Donvict because he was going to be for “peace” and not all these wars of aggression we have done so many of.
And here we are. Predictably. They don’t really have any principles other than “fuck liberals, we want to make women and LGBTQ cry and if Taco is grifting left and right to the tune of billions, telling us we don’t really have any rights - 2nd amendment as well as the first and the fourth, while we and our children may literally go hungry and have no healthcare, that’s a good thing as long as we think the libs and non-whites and non-xtians are getting it worse.”
Sorry to have deleted my comment out from underneath you. I wasn’t trying to be a jerk, I just read it back and was like “yikes that’s a bit much” and didn’t have any responses yet.
