Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
As a European I am baffled the civil war has not even started yet.
It’s crazy right? Especially since americans were so vocal about all of the amendments and chekcs and balances for decades which turned out to mean absolutely nothing.
Nobody wants to start it because the consequences would be huge and right now sitting around doing nothing is still possible.
Indeed!
But doing nothing did and does validate what he is doing.
If they decide to follow this memo and actual law enforcement do not care, sitting around doing nothing will not remain an option.
It just need someone snapping and starts shooting ICE. Then all hell will break loose. IIRC there’s some political scientists doing a simulation on how a civil war might start in modern America and it’s eerily similar to what’s been going on right now. There’s only two steps left, someone shooting ICE and then the federal government starts sending troops to take over State and clashing between federal military and the national guard.
How would you even simulate something that relies almost entirely on non-deterministic human behaviours?
They played some kind of RPG.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/21/ice-minnesota-trump
At least from an outside perspective it seems like the consequence are inevitable. Sitting around only delays everything and increases the overall suffering.
Yeah, I should mention that my perspective is very much an outside one. I’ve never been to the American continent. But I think a lot of us are tired of nothing happening even if it’s better than the alternative in the short term.
Civil war = no midterm elections = Trump win.
I know, he’s also hoping for it. There is no good solution. He will just go on.
That’s funny, because I say I can shoot someone for an armed unlawful entry. So either the law is on my side, or the laws are illegitimate and are irrelevant anyway. I guess we’ll just have to disagree.
The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years. The Gestapo believed that they were untouchable. In the end, the leader was dead by suicide, the senior officers tried and executed, the junior officers hunted, tried, convicted, and executed, imprisoned or murdered, and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.
I’m just saying.
and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.
this is actually untrue in some cases. Some really made the getaway to Latin America and literally got away with it.
Josef Mengele is the worst for multiple reasons. He got married under his own name, WENT BACK TO GERMANY UNDER HIS REAL PASSPORT IN HIS REAL NAME ON HOLIDAY AND RETURNED, and died in a swimming accident after a normal lifespan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#In_South_America
Mengele worked as a carpenter in Buenos Aires while lodging in a boarding house in the suburb of Vicente López.[95] After a few weeks, he moved to the house of a Nazi sympathizer in the neighborhood of Florida Este. He next worked as a salesman for his family’s farm equipment company, Karl Mengele & Sons, and in 1951, he began making frequent trips to Paraguay as a regional sales representative for the firm.[96] He moved into an apartment in central Buenos Aires in 1953, used family funds to buy a part interest in a carpentry concern, and then rented a house in the suburb of Olivos in 1954
After obtaining a copy of his birth certificate through the West German embassy in 1956, Mengele was issued an Argentine foreign residence permit under his real name. He used this document to obtain a West German passport using his real name and embarked on a trip to Europe.[99][100] He met with his son Rolf (who was told Mengele was his “Uncle Fritz”)[101] and his widowed sister-in-law Martha for a ski holiday in Switzerland. He also spent a week in his home town of Günzburg.[102][103] When he returned to Argentina in September 1956, Mengele applied for and received an Argentinian identity card under the name José Mengele, a variation of his real name
Martha and her son Karl Heinz followed about a month later, and the three began living together. Josef and Martha were married in 1958 while on holiday in Uruguay, and they bought a house in Buenos Aires
Rolf, who had not seen his father since the ski holiday in 1956, visited him at the bungalow in 1977; he found an “unrepentant Nazi” who claimed he had never personally harmed anyone and only carried out his duties as an officer.[138]
On 7 February 1979, while visiting his friends Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert in the coastal resort of Bertioga,[140] Mengele had a second stroke while swimming and drowned.
Just to remind you, this is Josef “The angel of death” Mengele, who experimented on human beings for funsies and just to see what would happen. The guy that Slayer wrote their biggest hit around. This prick got away with it all, learnt nothing, had no shame AND WENT BACK TO GERMANY ON HOLIDAY.
Is RFK Mengele in this scenario? Do you think there are many rocket scientists working for ICE? Are Trump’s cabinet members political elites?
The Trump regime is a pedofascist kleptocratic idiocracy. ICE are the prison camp guards who were hunted relentlessly until they were caught or dead.
And most adminaristive people on the political side just continued to rule. There are plenty of German politicians today those parents or mentors were prominent collaborators.
If this goes historically barely anyone in power will be held responsible.
Fight back! But consider:
- Why do they want direct violence with their thugs?
- Direct violence with ICE leads to direct violence with police, MAGA civi-thugs and military.
- Would MAGA base have the same violent and visceral reaction if violent events happened to wealthy folks whom they probably never heard of who live in disconnected realities from their own??? A thought tickles my mind that maybe they would not. Maybe it’s a pathway…
Direct violence with ICE leads to direct violence with police
ICE is a police force. So it’d already be with police.
You know what I mean: city, county, state
Can’t wait for dems to retake power eventually and do absolutely nothing to prosecute these criminals. ‘We have to promote unity to heal the divide.’
If the dems were worth a damn they would be loudly shouting from the rooftops ‘when we control the levers of power you will be held accountable for violating the constitution’
Agreed. We should commandeer it wherever we can for the immediate term, but we should ultimately leave the Democratic Party in the waste bin of history.
- They don’t represent us.
- They stood by while fascism took root, then welcomed them in with a smooth transition.
- Their name in itself is poisoned. There are folks who would have a much easier time separating themselves from their crazy peers if they had realistic options other than Democrats. The name is literally connected to everything evil by way of propaganda.
Let Schumer and Jeffries know that they are cunts, and will always be remembered as Democratic Cunts, the party that bent over for fascism.
What about this memo that says they can’t? It also states we can bear arms to protect ourselves from tyranny so… check mate Nazis
They clearly abandoned their oaths at all levels, so that document doesn’t mean anything anymore if everybody willfully ignores it daily. At that point, it’s just ink on a paper that is just barley better than a spill.
And that means we are well within our legal rights to fight back
The mask of rule of law slips to reveal the reality of might makes right. You better outnumber and outgun them, to enforce these rights.
Does that include car bombs?
I heard people speculate that this time in America will be a lot like the “troubles” in Ireland
Probably. I wouldn’t be surprised if RC cars become a common threat in urban America or something. We live in shitty and interesting times.
Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?
Find some friends and don’t go it alone in Minecraft!
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They won’t like that with a Constitutionalist.
A memo???
Ha!
A lot of these guys are going to be killed.
Nothing of value will be lost.
-Both sides, but for different reasons.
Those bullets could have been used for fun evenings in the gun range, so there was some lost value
Poor innocent bullets are gonna be forced into ICE agents instead of deer-shaped steel plates. How sad.
Oh no. Anyway…
So just to be clear. The EPA cannot make regulations despite full congressional authority to do so because that is “creating law” without a direct legislative process. But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
Black/brownshirt rules. Let’s stop pretending the U.S has rule of law. It’s full blown fascism at this point. Too bad Americans can’t shoot straight.
The answer to that is, legally no. However, that doesn’t stop them from doing it illegally.
Cavanaugh said it’s OK
“Official acts.”
Which by DEFINITION, would not include Un-Constitutional behavior. No violation of the Constitution could ever be construed as an “Official Act.”
No SCOTUS had ever put guardrails on the president in almost 250 years, but this SCOTUS reinforced that he has immunity for “Official Acts,” and nobody realizes that they just put guardrails on the presidency for the first time.
Everybody thinks it gives him immunity for EVERYTHING while he is president, but they specifically said “Official Acts,” which would be those outlined in the Constitution. Anything deemed Un-Constitutional, would not be an “Official Act,” and he would not have immunity, just like any other citizen.
Be sure to cite that when they’re breaking down your door without a warrant because you posted a meme of Trump online
Guardrails? I think you should re-read their decision again. They gave him protection because until now even official acts didn’t necessarily protect the president. And now, it doesn’t matter what illegal thing he does as long as it’s part of an official act. ANYTHING. Because as long as it’s part of an official act they can’t even question it. And they didn’t even provide a list of what constitutes an official act.
So they literally put the president above all laws provided he can tie it back to some vague notion of an official act.
The EPA cannot make regulations… But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
Today you learned the difference between creating regulations and enforcing existing regulations, congrats.
If ICE violates your 4th amendment rights shutup and enjoy your multimillion dollar lawsuit. If you aren’t entitled to said lawsuit then your rights weren’t violated.
How’s that boot taste?
I don’t think the user you responded to was defending ICE. They were bitterly pointing out how the court system is rigged and how there is no oversight to enforce the law on the executive branch.
I suggest checking a users post history before you decide to defend them.
EPA could absolutely just ignore the law when making regulations. It wouldn’t even need any congressional authority. It just makes the law and when someone sues them, the judge says “nah, it’s okay with me” and that’s it.
Fuck did that say? Point this cannon that wonder
Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Obviously. That is the whole point of the Supreme Court. The surprising thing is that there wasn’t more public concern when Trump selected his sycophant judges.
There was, but the .ml CCP mouthpieces reassured us we were being dramatic when we said the last election was critical and vote blue wasn’t going to fix anything, but rather we had to vote for someone that had no chance and hand the election to the regressives. Shrug
The person you voted for had no chance because they spent the previous 4 years trying to be republicans, up to and including sending police to kick the shit out of the politically activated youth who make up the dem’s ground game.
It is legal to booty trap your own house. Unrelated, just a funny thought.
Its not, but if you are going to Home Alone a bunch of ICE agents illegally entering your house, please record that shit. If its funny enough the jury will absolutely not convict you.
Imagine those fucks stepping on toy cars and sliding down a stairwell or being hit with powdered sugar and then set on fire.
Now I want to see a version of Home Alone where it’s ICE and all the traps are as deadly as they would be in real life.
There would be piles of bodies around the McCallister house. I wonder if Mac Culkin is busy these days
It would make a good reality tv show.
No, that’s illegal. But AFAIK in all states you can wait inside your door with a shotgun and blast anyone who breaks into your home illegally.
Better yet, you have the constitutional right to organize 30 or your neighbors to use guns to protect each other from marauding thugs.
Is it still considered a booty trap if it’s activated by an
evil AIAI programmed to follow castle doctrine?
I think the jury is still out on that
