• tino@lemmy.world
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    Europe: “Nice, let’s relaunch this well organized cane sugar and cotton business”

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      Fuck no. As an European we don’t want any of this shit. Americans can handle their own mess.

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        Well to be fair they did come in to rescue us after Hitlers mess. I’m not against saving Americans from the mess they created. Not sure if i would risk my life, but the ice Gestapo is making me wonder if that would be the humane thing to do. But no judgement from my part, i totally get your fuck-them attitude.

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          They came and saved us from Hitler once they were under attack themselves, they didn’t just jump in immediately. Hitler was quite popular in certain circles in the US before they joined the war. But yeah they did help Europe and the soldiers that gave their life for that are heroes.

          On another note, the Soviet Union also helped fight against Hitler as much as the Allies.

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            they didn’t just jump in immediately.

            the Soviet Union also helped fight against Hitler as much as the Allies.

            Both true, i’d prefer if we didn’t have to jump in and the US sorts itself out without foreign intervention. But when i see these razzias against people of colour or read stories from the lgbtq, I cannot think it’s their problem.

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              shouldnt lgbtq+ issues in the EU be resolved first by the EU?

              edit: i was referencing the fact that half of the voting population of an EU country would rather voting for someone who said that They™ are putting microchips in soda and that someone who allied with nazi germany and was responsible for the deaths of, according to wikipedia, at least a quarter of a million jews was a national hero than for someone who said she was going to make same sex civil unions legal

              if they cant ensure that people from one of their countries doesnt vote for someone who said loved nazis and fascists, how can they make sure that a country from another continent wont support someone who requires you knowing the definition of fascism to say he is one

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                Sure, but according to that logic Europe would speak german because the us was still resolving racism issues in the us first.

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                  was the purpose of the USA intervention during the war solving racism in the EU?

                  if it was, they failed

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              the soviets two years after signing an agreement that parted up europe between hitler and stalin.

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                The Soviets after England and France not wanting to have an alliance against the Nazis (that was the reason of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact).

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            Hitler was still popular in the US with more people than most would guess even after the war. Racism is deeply ingrained into the US state, has been from the very start (obviously) and never left.

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            Don’t worry, there’s no way that the US wouldn’t make it Europe’s problem if he started invading other nations.

            He could only invade Mexico or South America without triggering article 5. Since Canada and Greenland (through Denmark) are both NATO members if he messes with them then its immediately a good chunk of Europe’s problem. There’s also French Guiana in South America and some islands in the carribean I forgot when I started typing that would also trigger article 5.

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            US was hesitate to join yet another european squabble. The horrors of WW1 was still fresh in people’s minds. Also, the us wasnt sitting on their hands as it was becoming inevitable US would be forced to join. The US probably would had declared war on germany in 1942 even if japan never attacked.

            On another note, the Soviet Union also helped fight against Hitler as much as the Allies.

            The same one that was allied with hitler and invaded poland side by side? We’re just lucky hitler was a dumbass and back stabbed them.

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            Newsflash, Hitler was quite popular in countries all across Europe before he invaded those people’s countries. Antisemitism has always been a reoccurring issue in Europe and the US, with many people and governments supporting the Nazi’s opinion about Jews. Most people supported a nonconfrontational policy of letting Germany do their own thing so long as they didn’t come after them…and then Germany came after them. The idea that Hitler’s popularity was limited to any one country is whitewashing of history to hide the fact that he had the implicit support of many in Europe who either agreed with him or simply didn’t want to start another Great War. It’s the same reason that the foundation and recognition of Israel as a country had widespread support across Europe and the US from many antisemitic groups/people in power. They saw it as a perfect solution to get rid of Jews in Europe. They were even volunteering to deport themselves to the desert!

            That’s not to say that the US is some knight in shining armor goody two shoes or something. The US is the only other country to have held Nazi rallies, and almost joined the war on the other side once or twice. But the US was also largely focused on a policy of isolationism and wanted to stay out of a war in Europe. The US also spent years funding England during the early part of the war, who first used that money to send additional funds to France alongside that which they already were, and then used that money themselves when they actively joined the war. And the US provided all kinds of military equipment to the Allies before entering the war through the Lend-Lease program. The general opinion that I see is that the US was gearing up to officially enter the war when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, and that that had the effect of an inciting incident which caused any pro-isolationist groups within the country to change their position and accelerated the US’s timetable rather than being the reason that the US got involved at all.

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          Like fuck they did. The U.S. came in at the butt end after Russia sent millions of their people into the meat grinder.

          People love to give the U.S. a clap on the back, but in reality they’re the slacker who did fuck all during the group project, and then came in at the very tail-end of the presentation, subsequently getting all the acknowledgement for it.

          Churchill is hailed as a hero when he fucking starved millions of Indians, and withheld that information from their families he forced to the front, and who the fuck this day and age thanks the Indians for their contribution in saving Europe’s ass?

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        I don’t think even god could afford the cost of taking in and rehabilitating the former confederacy

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        Mexico’s biggest problem is America. And Europe better stay the fuck away, we have brought nothing but horror to Mexico. Or to the Americas as such, honestly.

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            Mexico’s problems largely boil down to drug trafficking to America for American dollars and fuelled by American weapons flowing into the country. This is highly contemporary.

            The history of Mexico is the history of Europeans entering into a place where they had no business at all and killing and destroying everything because they fucking suck. That was way before 1825, but I see no reason to forget about it.

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      Yeah no we’d rather not. I say we give that part to Venezuela as reparations.

      We’ll have the northeast. You know, New England, New Netherlands, New Sweden

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    I’m aware that the Treaty of Hidalgo formalised and legalised the US annexation of Texas and New Mexico, but the US Southwest was literally stolen, to begin with, from Mexico.

    Time for reconquista!

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      It’s pretty sad what happened to Hawaii. They really want nothing to do with the US if you strip away everything else.

      Everyone should look up the fucked up stuff Mark Fuckerberg is doing over there.

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    Europe doesn’t want any of it. We had it before and look at the mess that come of it.

    Canada can have it

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      Isnt this the place where we deliberately dumped a bunch of asshats who thought medieval european christianity wasnt hardcore and repressive enough? In hindsight that was probably a bad idea.

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        Funny enough those weirdos were welcomed in rather generously by the Netherlands who wanted to provide refuge.
        But the fact that they were so open and not prejudiced enough disgusted the Quakers who tried desperately to shame them with Preaching Tours™ until the Quakers decided to leave entirely.

        They were always gonna be like this.

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          You may be conflating the quakers with a different religious group.
          While still a religious group, the quakers are largely one of the most accepting. They were initially given trouble by the Dutch. Their numbers have never really been high enough to have the type of social sway that you’re thinking.

          Maybe you’re thinking the puritans or pilgrims? They’re the ones who kinda took over. Shame, inherent sin and all that.
          The quakers are the pacifist abolitionists who think church should be a group of people quietly thinking in someone’s home until someone feels moved to share an idea.

          While it would be better if our country was less religiously locked in, I’m pretty sure if it was the quakers that rose to prevalence we’d be way better off, even if only from the “not my job to enforce your morality” part.

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    Fuck off with that flag for California, we have dozens of them from the bear flag revolt that could be used assuming we don’t just stick with the one we’ve been using since the revolt and they go with the worst one. I know it’s source and it was quiet literally lost outside of a photo because it was tossed in the trash.