So the eating of the meat is okay, but joking about it is over the line?
Cognitive dissonance
More like disassociation. They just don’t connect killing animals to eating meat. So they don’t feel a cognitive dissonance.
Like… People living comfortable in captialistic countries/societies, don’t think they personally kill all victims of capitalism. They just don’t connect these things. They disassociate their life and living standards from the ‘others’.
TIL
Yeah. Basically same as buying shit from places known for child and slave labour.
Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
If not food, why delicious?
Humans taste the same, wacko.
Some more bitter than others.
I know.
We got here as a species by tasty tasty meat. Some steak fries and light salad are optional.
I think that has mostly been debunked. Even the hunter gatherers were much more gathering than hunting, in the big picture. And fishing is probably more relevant than meat (if we’re making that distinction). And later it was really agriculture that made our species what it is and it’s very much the grains (and rice) that made the big difference.
Not a vegan btw.
I think you are giving a very eurocentric description of early humanity
You think? Most of the great fishing civilisations I think of are (South East) Asian, Indian, Japanese etc.
(Some of that might be based on Age of Empires info)
I’m mostly referencing your allusion to agriculture as a developmental milestone
Heh, fish are meat.
I agree. Still, the distinction is a very cultural one. So many cultures, even civilisations can trace their beginning back to a coastline or river. Hunting things like mammoths was actually quite rare, but it makes for better stories. Taxonomically there isn’t even such a thing as a “fish”.
Peak carnist brain. Sniffing their own farts too long.
Does being vegetarian make you lose your sense of humour?
Do you want less people to eat meat? Or do you just want to be a righteous snob on the internet?
Because those goals are mutually exclusive
Just a normal person. The majority of us eat meat. A sad minitory of people can’t accept and get amusingly butt hurt by it.
I eat meat, but this is stupid as f.
This is actually a quote I picked up from a t-shirt once produced by Ryan North, creator of Dinosaur Comics, that amused me and stuck in my brain. Are you calling Ryan North, creator of Dinosaur Comic stupid as fuck? Because them’s fightin’ words.
Umm sure why not. fuck that guy and his little dog too
Fuck me there are some humour impaired people on this site.
They’re called Americans, lately. Shit’s not funny right now, sorry bro we trash
So you got here by veggies alone?
We are this thing called “omnivores.” If your brain worked, you might bother to find out what that means. It would revolutionize your whole existence.
I saw a Ted Talk years ago that posited that the thing that sets humans apart is that we are ‘coctivores’ - the species that cooks its food. Interesting stuff.
Dude. You have some kind of problem with steak fries and a salad? That is not meat by the way but pootaaato and lettuce. My existence is one of understanding and comprehension but yours is not.
I’m starting to think you’re trolling me. But in case you really are this stupid, I was reacting to this part of your statement: “We got here as a species by tasty tasty meat.”
I’m not you just go around calling people stupid as fuck(only you can’ type it out) and you get upset when someone calls you on it. You sound vegan to me.
Funny how English has
“Beef”, “Pork”, “Lamb”
when in some languages its just
[The Word for the Animal]+[The Word for “Meat”]
Literally, your language influences how you think.
My “native” languages are Cantonese and Mandarin and I always knew where the meat came from, like its literally in the word itself. [牛肉，豬肉，羊肉]
Lamb just means young sheep. The dinner version for sheep is mutton.
This language quirk for calling the meat version of an animal different comes from French influence, when the English aristocracy spoke French in court. Beef, pork and mutton comes from the Old French words buef, porc and moton. Which just means ox, swine and sheep.
You say that but so you have any idea how long it took my daughter to realize Chicken, the animal, is the same as Chicken, the food?
I think mine already figured out by 2. This kid keeps making the animal noises of any animal we happen to be eating. They’re also doing “woof woof” at hot dogs.
Interesting that the second character looks like a skeleton torso, since characters are kind of pictograms too. I assume that one means “meat”? ( sorry, duh, you just said so)
Funny how English has
Those are not actually English words. “Pork” is from French at least. It’s a euphemism for the english “swine”. Meat is a luxury for the extremely privileged.
Youtube short on topic: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/63DYCz9P1XM
Its a few random European languages in a trenchcoat
in french it’s just the name of the animal. Here’s a cow. eat cow. A pig ? eat pig.
Maybe it makes it easier to mentally link together the live animal and its meat.
At least Gordon slaughters them first, you freak!
casually CHOMPS on my pet cow
In english it’s just the french word… beef, pork, etc… All french.
It’s because carninsts are extremely privileged to the point that they were french aristocracy in england.
Are there not even specifics for different cuts or like oxtail or pigs feet or giblets or liver or stuff that aren’t “meat” in the muscle fiber sense?
yeah cuts have obscure names
here’s a picture
https://jeretiens.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/nom_des_parties_découpe_boeuf-768x501.png
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Yeah outrageous! We have the animals transported, killed, slaughtered and packed behind closed doors so no one buying meat would have to feel guilty. This way the product has no affiliation to a living animal. Why would he do this, now Gen Z/A might think meat comes from animals. This will cost the meat industry money so he might end up with a horse’s head in his bed.
Headlines often frame moments for shock, but context usually tells a much fuller story than a single clip or quote.
Usually a comment pointing this out would provide the missing context.
From the steak tree ofc.
Sir that’s a potato tree.
Don’t be silly, potatoes don’t grow on trees.
They are roots.
Even if you do choose to eat meat you don’t exactly have to be gleeful about the animals death.
Oh yes, we do. I’m giddy about getting certain specialties: lamb, duck breast, foi gras.
“I cOuLd NeVeR bE vEgAn!”
I can’t fucking stand Gordon Ramsay. I grew up with an abusive stepfather. I think the difference is when the abuse is from one’s actual parent, it starts earlier and is internalized as normal. My stepfather wasn’t in the picture until I was five, so I already had an established personality, such as it is.
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Terrible person.
I haven’t had a good gyro in awhile. I should hit up Arby’s
If you’re going to Arby’s for a gyro, then you’re not even good at being a carnist.
- Who unironically calls someone else a carnist?
- Sorry the actual sit down restaraunts around me closed during covid and never re opened
I agree with Tiktok, lamb is disgusting. It’s tough and chewy and slimy and made of dead baby
So in other words, you cannot cook. 🤦♀️
I’m great at cooking, I just refuse to cook meat. It’s gross.
Sounds like you’re cooking it wrong. It feels disrespectful, but a lot of the people criticizing this probably rub their hands together and say, “yummy!” when they pull a burger out of a bag without thinking of the calf/cow it once was.
I’ve never cooked lamb, I only ate it as a kid. And the last time I spent My money on dead chordate, I was recovering from invasive surgery.
Gotcha. I was vegetarian for many years, so I get it. Cooking chicken actually smelled like heated roadkill to me, I had to leave the room.
I felt healthier without eating meat, actually. Now that I am back to eating meat, I respect where it comes from and intend to use every part of my harvests (having a dog helps too). I believe I owe it to the animal to acknowledge where what is on my plate comes from and to be as humane as possible.
yeah, it’s cool how our brain can rationalize an evil act, like paying for innocent beings to be slaughtered for our pleasure, by “respecting their sacrifice”, and occasionally hunting something “humanely” and then pretending like we only ever eat meat that came from an animal that never suffered for our meals
Nature made us this way. Life exist by eating other life, that’s how it is. Blame god/universe for it.
I bet when Jeff Bezos hunts people for sport on his private island, he takes a minute to respect their sacrifice. And if the first shot doesn’t kill them, he makes sure to shoot them in the head so they don’t suffer.
nonhuman animals aren’t people
That’s our choice, personhood is a social construct. Don’t be a realist, take personal responsibility for your worldview. Choose whether animals are people.
Lamb is only chewy if you overcook it. Which is easy as the cuts are usually pretty small.
TikTok outrages should never become news headlines.
But it’s the Daily Fail, so 🤷
That said - as if he could tell what each one would taste like.
Obviously he just picks the one he hates the most.
I really want these two videos to be posted two days apart
You stupid
donkeylamb!
And it’s from 2022, so I’m guessing the outrage has passed
Oh, I see it now. Yeah, another 5 minutes wasted.
I’m surprised anyone would invest 5m to this in the first place.
Depends on how many lambs he’s picked out in the past. Like it might not just be flavour but fat content, muscle, how nice it’s coat it. All those things can add up to a better meat.
We’re still trying to figure out when/how/what it will be like when we teach our kid where her food comes from.
At the moment she likes to eat beef and shout “THE COW LOLA” (not at the same time). going to be fun when we tie the two together.
Maybe lying to your kids is indicative of a deeper problem (carnism).
fuck off you propaganda spouting dickhead.
Hey man, I was really looking forward to your genuine experiences raising children, please don’t forget to share your anecdotes here so we can learn to become better parents with your help.
wow, very interesting. what was it like raising your kids as vegans?
EDIT: How many kids do you have? Did you raise them all as vegans?
“Wait, does chicken come from chickens?” said my daughter, “How did we know they would be so tasty?”
We had already told her beef and milk comes from cows, just hadn’t thought about pointing out the obvious one.
Took me long enough as a child to realise that chicken was chicken. I’m nervous for my kids turn…
My family raised cattle. Whenever I asked where the beef came from, my grandfather explained it was usually the older heifers, or the one that refused to obey the training (which usually happened as they got to 3 or 4 years). I had a very sad moment when I remembered one would nuzzle and lick my face and realized I hadn’t seen it in a year or so (I was 5 or 6).
How old is yours? Mine is nearly 4 and has figured it out. It helped that, when we went on vacation, the supermarket sold complete chicken with the head and feet still attached, and cow tongues and pork feet and things. We even pointed out a pig brain for him to look at. It also may have helped that is favourite food is snails, mussles, squid and small fish with their heads attached (fried anchovies, he calls them eye fishies). All pretty recognisable on a plate!
When i was a kid (4 or 5), we used to go to a fish market all the time. They had a tank with live squid in them and i swore i’d never eat them.
We went to a restaurant and they had calamari. I LOVED it. My mom finally asked me if i knew what animal calamari was and i didn’t know.
She said “squid”. I stopped for about 5 seconds and then stuffed another few in my mouth…haha.
you must be doing a great job with their nutrition. Mine’s 2 1/2 , so we’re just about arriving at full sentences, so not quite yet :)
Eh, not really. We have only very recently cracked the code to getting him to eat any veggies aside from cucumber. Before that he would usually just eat meat, fish, potatoes and rice. Anything green would lead to drama. We showed him Popeye and how the spinach made him strong. Now, anytime he eats his veg he gets to “pick me up” and throw me on the couch. It’s been three weeks and he still likes doing it so, fingers crossed! 😄
Good to know you guys are still adapting,ours generally eats most stuff but sometimes she hesitates with shredded meat and that makes that particular mealtime forever, but she eats her food.
Also there are some things she obviously prefers like crackers.
4.5ish was about when my kid started connecting the dots
I had to have this chat with my daughter as a surprise when she saw a pig on a spit. Couldnt duck it or deflect… had to handle it on the spot.
Handle it? By talking about how torturing and murdering animals is bad? Or just normalizing the violence and not worrying about it?
Then people wonder why our society is so shitty.
