I just want to say a few words because I got banned from my local NextDoor app and Reddit 2x because I get so sick of seeing so many pro-ICE class traitors cheering on the abuse thats occuring in our neighborhoods and communities in the Unites States! These same people claim to be patriots as you realize they are the same people that would have snitched on Ann Frank ffs!
The rich people that own these platforms are creating their own fake realities to feel better about themselves using banning features and bot accounts but eventually it will catch up with them. It used to be normal and standard to not be okay with dictatorships and Nazi behavior. Millennials learned about WW2 in schools ffs! We KNOW Hitler is bad!
Its so insanely UN-AMERICAN to cheer on ICE as they LARP around as fake police officers, that are somehow allowed to murder and abduct innocent civilians?! Legally VIA the Federal Government? I stand by every single thing I said in my post and these people have had EVERY SINGLE opportunity to wake up. They choose to either be ignorant or just a crappy human being. Part of living in a society means community and contributing to your neighborhood somehow but instead they choose to side with the budget clown mafia that is our government and the disgusting oligarchs that are sucking all of the US citizens dry, INCLUDING THOSE CHEERING THEM ON! Its absurd and I am so sick of being censored, constantly. I am thankful for the Fediverse… But I wish more people knew about it! Its still very niche… When this time in history is over can we as a society prioritize educating the public on privacy, mesh networks and other peer to peer networking options? This can never happen again.
P.S. I am not angry that I was banned specifically. Its because these same people complained about FrEe SpeEcH and its so evident they only ever used it to be a disgusting racist, sexist ect… hateful human being. Not because they believe in freedom.
Why do people come to Lemmy to complain about other platforms?
It’s like complaining about Big Macs at Five Guys. Nextdoor and Reddit sucks, that’s why we’re not hanging out there in the first place.
I get that but its more so be being sick of the rich oligarchs owning the primary ways citizens communicate and then making a fake reality and then using that to influence culture, voting, communities ect… Its a huge problem in general. How many Americans use social media and what % of those are on mainstream platforms? Its awful. I am looking at the much greater social impact as well.
you can have the same experience here by disagreeing with the tankies on the ml instances
good luck
You’re preaching to the choir. It’s still annoying.
I know… I am sorry. I just feel to helpless to really be able to do much and its awful. I contact representatives. I am in a union and actively participate. I protest when I can. I helped my local 50501 w/ planning for a bit. I try to educate people but its just so disheartening sometimes and its lonely.
You don’t need to apologize to someone who is grumpy that not everything written is relevant to him.
No, you are not annoying and Im glad to hear your experience. Its sad that 99% of communication happens in the billionaires platforms.
Cool, I’m also in a union but I’m near to being homeless and going hungry. Everyone who wants to save the world seems to ignore the people who are in need right in front of them.
My suggestion for your peace of mind is to improve the lives directly in your community. Educating people is fine (when done face to face), but bringing water and basic medical supplies to protesters is going to help attrition.
Go for the smaller victories over writing paragraphs that people skim over.
This is such a smug take. You’re criticizing someone who clearly cares and is involving themselves in the solutions. Wrong person to get snippy with. You assume so much with your post about the OP. How do you know they ignore the people in front of them?
Some people need to vent. You don’t need to read it.
There are lots if people new to Lemmy and not everyone is aware of what really happens on the large platforms. Maintaining awareness is a good thing I think. Especially for new users it can affirm a choice to leave those platforms.
Yeah don’t they know that there are pricks like you on Lemmy that will bully them for trying to make conversation?
I post on NextDoor whenever a new ICE building gets announced and the post ALWAYS gets taken down afterwards.
We need a peer to peer version for just local community then because this is disgusting. We have a right to protect ourselves, families and neighbors from the abuse.
A peer to peer, community driven communications network would be Meshtastic or MeshCore. Many, many state/regional efforts are already underway!
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These people are this generations version of those you see in the history books, standing around, smiling, at their town’s lynching.
Absolutely. Its absurd.
I was on ND for about a week, some 8 years ago. Absolute dog shit hellsite that somehow makes FB look reasonable by comparison. Ended up shit-canning it because I’d rather not have to know that I’m surrounded by shitcunts.
ND is just FB all over again, but by neighborhood rather than friend group. Fake names, rants, and e-begging. You could get a better experience with any other website.
I had to kick myself off Nextdoor for the sake of my blood pressure. I’m trying to work on my mindfulness and not having such hotheaded reactions, but boy howdy does it make my blood boil seeing such bigotry on the feed.
I learned ND doesn’t permaban users anyway. Only temp bans upwards of 6 months.
Also if you have any warnings on your account you can’t have your account deleted until six months after you’ve been warned.
Its worse knowing these people live near me and would cheer if my neighbors (and theirs!) got taken. I know people that are immigrants and genuinely are good people. I KNOW if ICE took them and faked the story these people would cheer it on. Its absolutely disgusting to me. Hits a real moral thing for me.
I feel for you on this. We have a local happenings group for our area on fb. It’s much more of a local racists posting and saying shitty things group. Though, since their #1 rule is no reporting, we don’t care about your feelings, I like to go there when I need to vent at these asTrump.
I’m fairly certain its get a lot of fake accounts stirring up shit, so I like to find the ones that actually seem to be a real person and let off a reply with a flood of facts and reputable sources. Then I come back a few days later and view their string of posting back. It follows a usual pattern, unfounded statements,then dems are demented (and everyone not maga is a demonic dem or libruhl, which are one in the same to them), insults, memes of trump. They definitely appear to have a brainwashed/cult mindset.
It won’t change anything but it gives me somewhere to let off some steam. And they can’t report me for my trolling or they have to admit they got their feefees hurt by a libruhl.
Yep.
As an exercise in catharsis I wrote a short found footage film I wanted to make with some friends called How to Prank Your Neighbors! wherein the prank was obviously a fill-in for something way more nefarious.
The setup was something like “say you know your neighbor is a prankster themselves and they were going to take a prank on someone else too far. Is it not your moral obligation to prank them first? Perhaps so badly they cannot do the harmful prank of their own?”
It’d go into how to get around your neighbor’s security system, how to occupy their dog, and get into their house unnoticed so you could then… prank your neighbor.
Friends told me I should pull my punch by the end, so it ended with the protagonist getting pranked by some unseen party who had been observing them because— after all— the protagonist fit their own description of someone who needs to be pranked, but uhh…
…yeah I dunno, I think if you know your neighbor is a Nazi-in-waiting, they don’t deserve to go… unpranked?
And HOAs are asking people to sign up at ND. Like wtf people or, why are we relying on some third party service who can moderate and ban at their own discretion, and make their own content policies? I’m not signing up for that shit.
You made some good points
If you can avoid getting banned next time maybe you will inspire change in others
Take care
Sounds like me and you are living parallel life’s, I’ve been banned from Reddit and other platforms as well all for doing exactly as you said- standing up to fascist and Nazis- it’s clear they want to keep us in our place while they break us down. Reddit has become really bad since the election, it’s heartbreaking but I refuse to go quietly
Same! I had a 12 year old account that never had so much as a strike and then I started to go viral and made it into the top 1% club on there or whatever and then they banned me for no reason at all. Then, my partner let me use his old account because he wasnt using it and it was also around 12 years old (I had a new phone and VPN). Same happened! I went viral speaking truth, they got scared BAM banned… no appeal allowed. Permanent ban on both! Nothing I shared was against the rules. It was just anti violence and anti fascist.
Oh, and r/economiccollapse is where it started, after Elon threw a fit and the site cracked down thats the page I was going viral on all the time and they switched mods at the same time Elon bitched… and then I got banned. Coincide? Idk, but it pisses me off. They dont want to hear about billionaires stealing from the working class and they dont want to hear about how toxic this entire regime is when it was completely NORMAL to shit talk Naiz and billionaires not even what, 10 years ago?!
Eventually this fake reality will catch up with them. Humans are intelligent and find ways around systems. Faking your entire reality while yelling about free speech isnt going to work for very long.
Lot’s of people seem to only care about free speech when their opinions are getting censored, but are perfectly happy to censor others’ speech. Even here on Lemmy. It’s a huge lack of self awareness.
Don’t worry, you’ll be banned by several servers here as well :)
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Politics on Nextdoor? Yeah, that’s cringe. It’s for lost dogs and shit, dude
Even if you say “hating ICE isn’t politics,” making blanket statements about hating all your neighbors isn’t what Nextdoor is for
People have been posting on there about it all constantly in my area. Thats why I made that post. Its even more gross when its neighbors saying they are okay with other neighbours being killed. Two people were shot by ICE in Portland and died not long ago. Its impacting everyone. Especially the community.
Politics IS next door, my dude. They’re kicking in doors. I‘m concerned about your lost dog AND gestapo shit happening down the street.
You are alienating people from the cause. If you want to make a difference then do better.
I disagree with what ur saying about ice but I support free speech and thus support your right to say it without being censored. Ironically I doubt you would give me the same courtesy.
Ironically I doubt you would give me the same courtesy.
Hell no I won’t! If you support ICE, then fuck you and fuck everything you care about, and please unironically saw your own head off immediately.
So free speech for you but not for me? Sound awfully fascist of you. Do you unironically think that free speech should only apply to some people and anyone who doesn’t agree with you should be silenced? Is this not the very thing you are accusing ice of doing? Do u not see the hypocracy or do u simply not care?
So free speech for you but not for me?
Yes if you speak in support of fascism, including but not limited to ICE.
Sound an awfully fascist of you.
It’s not, but if people started adopting your view of what constitutes fascism, then the term would be useless.
Do you unironically think that free speech should only apply to some people and anyone who doesn’t agree with you should be silenced?
No, just silence the fascists. We can disagree about almost everything else. “Polite” fascists, e.g. Charlie Kirk, deserve the same bullets as rude ones 🧱🤯🔫👿🏴
Is this not the very thing you are accusing ice of doing?
It’s literally not what I’m accusing ICE doing. I am accusing ICE of doing what they were designed to do, i.e. enforce immigration laws and terrorize the working class on behalf of the capitalist class. Even if, especially if ICE is doing their job “correctly” in perfect accordance with their own training and procedures and the laws passed by the AmeriKKKan government, they are (and have been for as long as it has existed under every administration, both right and “”“left”“”) a fascist secret police.
Do u not see the hypocracy or do u simply not care?
I don’t care about accusations of hypocrisy from fascists and their supporters since I know what makes you cheer.
Infinite genocide against fascists forever.
Glad we could establish that you don’t support free speech. Given that you don’t support free speech you have no right to complain when people silence you.
You didn’t celebrate the death of Charlie kirk cos he was a fascist you called him a fascist so u could kill him.
It seems u don’t have an issue with fascism but an issue with the democratic laws of the nation. Interesting that jan6 was so bad cos it was against democracy but the second democracy is against you then its justified to break the law.
Glad we could establish that u don’t care about being a hypocritic rally makes it clear that your not coming from a place of rationality or good faith.
And real talk. The government holds the monopoly on violence. They could just go Tiananmen square on ur ass and kill you all. The fact that u can sit around screaming death threats at people on the internet and celebrating the death of people you don’t like is a testament to the fact that the government is not fascist as no fascist regime would ever tolerate what u are currently doing. You behaving like this is only going to radicalise people further to the right and the more u push your violent intolerant rhetoric the closer you push everyone else towards exercising that very same violence upon you.
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Glad we could establish that u don’t care about being a hypocritic rally makes it clear that your not coming from a place of rationality or good faith.
If you’re not a fascist, then I am here in good faith, and we should be able to agree that fascism is bad and needs to be stopped. For fascists… fascists get nothing.
And hell the fuck no I’m not coming from this from a detached “”“rational”“” perspective! I’m terrified! Everyone I know is terrified! So excuse me for not being perfectly fucking reasonable while you run defense for the Gestapo fucks trying to kill my loved ones. I hope that in your darkest hour, someone else shows you the same understanding. And AmeriKKKans are so fucking brain-broken that all we can muster, in the most heavily armed nation on earth, is a bunch of chanting and angry letters.
Right now, you’re fence-sitting. Pick a side.
It seems u don’t have an issue with fascism but an issue with the democratic laws of the nation.
I am literally an anarcho-communist. (Before you make a snide comment: anarcho-communism predates the Russian revolution. It is not even remotely an oxymoron, not even remotely syncretic, not even a “synthesis” of some previously distinct notions of “anarchism” and “communism”, but I don’t have the patience today to explain any further.) I 1000% do not support liberal “”“democratic”“” nations or any other nation-states. Of course I fucking oppose fascism, but liberal democracy is what allowed fascism to rise. I.e. I wipe my ass with the laws of this nation 💩
Interesting that jan6 was so bad cos it was against democracy but the second democracy is against you then its justified to break the law.
January 6th was bad because Nazis did it, and that’s literally it. AmeriKKKans have had a moral duty to storm the fucking capital and rid this land of its pedophile colonialist elites since the day white people landed on this continent. And yes it is almost always permissible, sometimes even obligatory, to break the law. The law is not only not a substitute for morality, but it is usually in direct opposition to the right things.
You behaving like this is only going to radicalise people further to the right and the more u push your violent intolerant rhetoric the closer you push everyone else towards exercising that very same violence upon you.
You know if it only takes your fee-fees getting hurt by one meanie bobeanie internet leftist living in constant fear of the Gestapo taking him and all his fucking loved ones to an El Salvadorian torture prison while obviously having a meltdown to go to the right wing, I somehow think you weren’t very likely to listen to leftists anyways.
Like there’s a saying “scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds” but does getting yelled at count as a scratch for you?
The fact that u can sit around screaming death threats at people on the internet and celebrating the death of people you don’t like is a testament to the fact that the government is not fascist as no fascist regime would ever tolerate what u are currently doing.
Every mean thing I said was conditioned on whether or not you’re a fascist, so if you’re not a fascist, then none of that shit applies and you shouldn’t need to feel offended by it. Like please stop fucking fence sitting; pick a fucking side.
Fence sitting? I’m not fence sitting I absolutely think that ice is doing their democratically elected and mandated duty. I believe in free speech of everyone Karl popper be damned.
I think your definition of fascism and my definition are vastly different. Yours seems to include people such as Charlie kirk who never killed anyone or advocated for violence. Mine includes states who actively practice the hyper nationalistic and totalitarian practice’s of fascism as prescribe by Mussolini. Eg the USSR, ccp, Nazis, Iran etc etc. I would not count the maga movement as fascist, nationalistic sure but they support freedom of speech and are actively carrying out the will of the people as decided by democracy ie ice deportations.
If u don’t support liberal democratic nations then why don’t u fuck off to somewhere that isn’t a liberal democratic nation? You are free to leave (due to the fact that u live in a liberal democratic nation, don’t let the irony if that be lost).
So jan6 was only bad because u think the people who did it where Nazis? The Nazis killed 22million people the jan 6 rioters killed 0. I can see 22million reasons why that statement is completly fucking illogical.
My feelings aren’t hurt at all I’m here for the entertainment value of watching a meltdown in real time as I simply present what most people would call objective reality. And given the way the world is going and that I’m a well educated, rich, strait, white, male when it comes to fascism, Nazism, or eugenics I stand to lose nothing and most likely stand to win a lot. I don’t like fascism I like my liberty and freedom but if I’m going to lose liberty and freedom I’d rather it be taken by those who don’t hate me for who I am.
I think you are failing to realise that the world is not simply split in 2. Their does not exist 2 groups 1 that agrees with u and one that is fascist. I’m sure I agree with you on many things and disagree with u on many other. I am not simply some asshole playing politics like a football game picking sides. I’m picking whatever side on every issue that is the most beneficial to me and the most beneficial in creating the world I want to live in. And I want to live in a world where the government does the job it was democratically elected to do and in this case that is deport illegal immigrants. That is what the people decided. Their are only 2 functional forms of government democracy, and fascism, and I prefer democracy.
Fence sitting? I’m not fence sitting I absolutely think that ice is doing their democratically elected and mandated duty.
And given the way the world is going and that I’m a well educated, rich, strait, white, male when it comes to fascism, Nazism, or eugenics I stand to lose nothing and most likely stand to win a lot.
Ah, I see, fascist spotted. Please saw your head off 🪚
You agree that ice skittles be murdering citizens in the streets with no accountability? Please explain.
The courts will hold them accountable to the same degree as any other law enforcement officer. I don’t think it be murder I think it be fully legal self defence. But none of us get to make that decision only the courts can and will make that decision.
The courts aren’t holding ICE accountable. A woman was murdered in cold blood and nothing is being done about it.
Their will be a court hearing and the court will most likely rule that it wasn’t murder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8
First you said the courts will hold ICE accountable, now you’re saying they won’t.
Aww, look at you believing something will actually happen to Jonathan Ross after he killed Renee Good. It’s like you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
No my point is that I think the courts will determine that nothing is to be done
The fact that I made such an egregious typo as “ice skittles” with zero reaction or mockery while also getting such a bland and placid recitation of base line propaganda makes me realize I’m talking to an LLM or a bot account, either way they have arrived on lemmy.
No its not that. Its just that I’m not bat shit insane losing my mind. I’m simply willing to have a conversation with someone I disagree with without devolving into rage or bad faith personal insults. And yes the ai bots are on lemmy pushing propaganda. I wrote them.
