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    Dont listen to their words, only watch their actions. By actions alone, these 2 are MAGA.

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        Is it perhaps possible they’ve been negatively coerced or threatened? I feel like this might explain a fair amount of behavior of their ilk and we are dealing with the mob after all.

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          They’re fall guys. They’re handsomely paid to take the blame and be called republican plants, they ensure the DNC cannot achieve goals counter to their and their donors’ interests, but they need to maintain progressive rhetoric to keep the voter base pacified.

          If they’re replaced, two new fall guys will pop up on future issues. They allow the DNC to operate as a complicit cooperator while claiming to be the opposition.

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    “We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,” Jeffries told reporters.

    Didn’t realize this was an inappropriate time to try to stop them from kidnapping and murdering people.

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      “We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,” Jeffries told reporters.

      Counterpoint: no you fucking won’t

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      “We’ll figure out the accountability mechanisms at the appropriate time,” Jeffries told reporters.

      This reeks of post school shooting rhetoric, ‘now is not the time to discuss gun law’ in the immediate aftermath of mass child slaughter.

      The appropriate time was years and years ago, or at the very latest January 20, 2017.

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      Jeffries has always struck me as someone lukewarm, uncharismatic, and even unintelligent. So many better options for that position, but he was chosen for the obvious virtue signal.

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      Genuinely worse than anyone on the right, IMO, who at least tell you to your face what they believe

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        Personally, I wouldn’t care much what exact shade of brown the shit is when somebody is trying to make me eat it.

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        Lol, no they don’t. While talking about the dangers of covid vaccines, all of fox news and the maga politicians were getting vaccinated. Trump had experiment treatments for it.

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    New York 8 you know what to do – primary Jeffries. Start looking for your candidate now.

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      Good idea. Should we vote for another Dem who will do the same shit? Or for a hard R who will do even worse?

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          We tried that in 2016 when we elected Bernie Sanders as our Dem candidate. The DNC told us to go fuck ourselves and nominated Hillary Clinton anyway. So, no, apparently that won’t work either.

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        You apparently don’t understand what it means to primary a candidate (from the left, in this case). I’ll explain it for you. The way to get more progressive people in Congress is to primary the existing congresspeople with a more progressive candidate.

        Whoever wins the Dem primary in this district will win in the general. It does no good to wait until the general to just vote against the republican and get Jeffries again. You have to find and support a good progressive candidate who is to the left of Jeffries and beat him in the primary. If that doesn’t happen, no one is going to even bother running against Jeffries because they know they won’t beat him in the primary. People have to support support support an opponent.

        This is how magats took over Congress. They primaried the hell out of the “traditional” repubs, from the right. They won some of those primaries and lost some. Then sometimes they still lost in the general if their candidate was too far to the right for their district. But they didn’t care because they still won in a lot of others. They kept doing this every election, and the more power the right got in Congress, the more trad repubs just dropped out and didn’t even try to win re-election. Once it gets going it snowballs.

        There’s no reason the left can’t do the exact same thing to the Dems as the right did to the repubs. Well, unless it’s already too late now that maga controls the government, that is.

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    They will not go against the wishes of their donors. They do not represent their voters.

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      It’s so much worse than it needs to be for no reason. They don’t have the numbers to do anything, but they could at least fucking PRETEND to care that they can’t.

      “Well, you guys are trying your best, but there’s nothing you can do without the numbers.”

      “No, no… let’s be clear… Even if we had the numbers, we are INTENTIONALLY not doing anything.”

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      We’ve never had a government that put the needs of the people ahead of the wants of the rich. The closest we had was FDR, and even he only pushed the New Deal to stop us from demanding an even better deal.

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      Are you under the impression 1/3 of Americans made academic decisions to protest poor candidates by not voting?

      1/3 of Americans didn’t vote because they’re uneducated, lazy slobs. Stop fooling yourself.

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        Why are you complicating things? Whos taking about academia? If people don’t see candidates that inspire them they stay home. This is pretty basic. The uneducated lazy slobs came out in droves for Trump whos vote share kept increasing, so why is it the uneducated slobs that dont like Trump didnt? Don’t fool yourself thinking all the slobs stayed home but also managed to vote for Trump. One group was inspired by the hate, and one group was uninspired by the lack of resistance.

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          So you truly believe that 1/3 of American voters didn’t vote in protest?

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    I’m beginning to think they both spent a lot of time raping trafficked children on Trump and Epstein’s Pedophile Island and need the distraction.

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    I just don’t see how anyone can hear this and see them as effective leadership. Minority party or not. Like it makes me, a dedicated left wing person, not want to support democrats because they seem to have lost the plot

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      They haven’t lost the plot, they like the plot. They don’t agree with you, they don’t like you, they don’t want to help you.

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      Completely agree. There are no US politicians who are willing to offer social progress or even support middle-class workers. If you’re not a campaign donor, you can’t get shit in this country.

      Not that it matters who votes for who. After the 2024 election, it’s obvious the winner isn’t decided by votes anyway.

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        It doesn’t help that most of them are so old and rich they’re completely detached from the realities of the people they’re SUPPOSED to represent and serve.

        Many of them either have never been anything other than at least upper class, or their time spent below upper class is decades away and very very irrelevant compared to those of us who are not, especially during this time.

        They do NOT represent us. How the hell can anyone expect them to serve us?