So far I really like it, anyone else using it? I’m really considering setting up the discord bridge and just using revolt
It’s not decentralized and e2ee is not implemented.
+1 for this
Matrix https://matrix.org is a decentralized alternative
there’s a wrapper for matrix Rocket Chat (a wrapper of matrix) https://www.rocket.chat/
Matrix only partially has e2ee and its e2ee is time based and breaks under high latency
Sometimes a public utility doesn’t need to be decentralized to function effectively
It helps, but also the lack of e2ee is a pretty hard sell…
then let me introduce you to IRC
Then Mastodon are not for you either. Nothing is stored encrypted there.
Mastodon is not a real time chat
Nope, it’s not. But Revolt and Mastodon share the same gimmic: no encryption. Why (as far as I know)? You can install these 2 on your own server, making you own your data and also handling the data. E2EE will not be important in that case (according to me). However, encryption (not E2EE) are important in any service.
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Most important to me: Which of them is easier to self-host?
I’ve been running a Mumble server for my friends for over a decade now and I’d like… something more without having to get too technical. Mumble is literally just a single apt-get and you’re basically done, so that’s about the level of technical expertise that I bring to the table. I’ve tentatively looked into other solutions over the years but I always feel my attention drifting when the setup-tutorial covers multiple pages and starts with manually configuring some database or certificate authority or whatever. Sorry, I didn’t mean for this to get too ranty.
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I settled on XMPP for general chat. Very easy to set up, doesn’t eat much resources. I did think about trying Matrix, but I am afraid it would eat up too much resources, especially disk space.
Why not Element/Matrix?
Revolt is simple and works almost exactly the same as Discord. Element requires understanding federation, and it’s “spaces” feature is not the same as Discord “servers”.
How is it different from discord?
- Doesn’t track you like discord does to remain “free”
- You audit the code for security and privacy issues
- You can self-host or fork the code for yourself if you ever need to build a backup because some idiot decided to purchase the original revolt project and decided to screw with it
- It has an open source license so the software can never be privatized, it’s essentially a public utility; for everyone by everyone
Our Story:
The Revolt project originally started back in 2019 by a group of three students from the United Kingdom and the Czech Republic, looking for an alternative to the already emerging, closed-source chat platforms. Our main focus for the project was to create an open-source, completely compromise-free platform that offered all of the same features and competed against other chat apps
- Revolt is made with collaborative effort, and if you like coding it makes it so if you can to try and code stuff to add custom functionality or plugins or whatever else. Like a public utility you can add to it and develop it communally, though in this case it would be a public utility serving a public with a population of just you. But because of the GPL license Revolt uses, it makes it so that you need to share your changes. Whatever form the source code takes, it remains a public utility until perpetuity.
Really wish that IRC allowed to have all the new bells and whistles that Discord has. Avatars, in-line images and videos, streaming rooms, etc…
matrix?
Is matrix not a separate protocol?
yet another other miserable attempt at doing IRC
It has been a long time since I used IRC, but or it has changed a lot or it’s not similar.
Could you send inline images? Could you assign granular permission and roles ? Can have several rooms with access and visibility control of each of them? Can you make audio rooms? Can you react to mensages?
Right. Discord, Revolt, Guilded etc. are heavily inspired by IRC but they modernized it by adding more features. Right now they are so much more than IRC.
I’ve never had the need for any of those things. A text-only chat is a cleaner and better chat. Specially reactions, those are rather absurd and irritating.
Audio is definitely a different use case, and Mumble works great for that. You can just host both on the same domain and be done with it. You could even write a client that supports both IRC and Mumble if you wanted to, instead of constantly reinventing the wheel.
And I’m sure you could implement in-line images in IRC if you wanted, after all Twitch’s chat is IRC and they have images.
Show me an IRC where I can share images and then jump into a jitsi voice call or whatever, I’d use it every day. I’m in discord, matrix, all of this shit. I mostly wanna send memes to a few friends 😮💨
Edit: reactions are pretty sweet in my eyes btw. I use a lot of emojis.
With centralization and prebuilt integration’s disadvantages comes extreme convenience. And I like sending images of random things I see and would like to share.
Remember: Revolt =\ Revolut
Revolt was okay when I briefly used it, however I don’t like the developers
Are you maybe confusing it with? https://www.revolut.com/en-US/
Never heard of it
What’s up with them?
They are uninformed politicaly and have banned people for saying there Christian. (So I’ve been told)
It also is a centralized service
banned people for saying there Christian.
Huh, that’s some shitty behavior if true.
It also is a decentralized service
Did you mean to say the opposite? It’s not like Matrix, servers can’t communicate with each other, they’re all standalone
Sounds nice but we all know the majority won’t make the switch from Discord so it’s sadly but most probably a stillbirth.
The only stillbirth here is discord.
Huh? Discord is very much alive and popular.
You’re right, that was a crap insult. Discord is just such garbage. Like its so sad to see discord become this naughty gamer queer safe space that… Takes all of this data, doesn’t sell it, just gives it to shareholders that have bought in. Its disgusting.
Sad but true.
What communities are there on Revolt? Anything big? Like GrapheneOS, Linux Mint, Signal, Monero?
I know that Matrix has their communities.
I tried self hosting my own using their docker compose file. The text chat works just fine and is lovely but the voice part was totally broken for me. To be fair it explicitly says in the settings page they’re rewriting the entire voice subsystem so I’ll try again in the future
How can I search for Revolt communities?
there probably is a list on the revolt discord 😵💫
Revolut is a different thing
I’ve heard they like to ban people for disagreeing with them or being christian. So no, I’ll just stay away.
Also it seems pretty centralized so there is no reason they couldn’t start do something questionable
Really? That sounds fucked up but I don’t trust hearsay so easily.
banned me because i said i believe in god
freedom of religion is a human right bruh i did not say anything but i believe in god the banned me and claimed i was being homophobic 1. i said nothing about it 2. stfu even if i was
oh by the way you can shut with your among us memes
🤔
Wait WHAT
Does this have any proof?
No but there are multiple posts about it so I am inclined to believe them
Could you send the other ones?
Nah I think I prefer Matrix. The Revolt servers have that same unproductive samesy flair as discord.
Femboy server uwu cutesy safe (but slightly horny) space. Trans programmer server yay!!It’s all junk. Matrix has less, but the servers I’m in are trying to do something new. They’re trying to fight the patterns and habits and create something more mindful, safe, and engaging.
Sounds like these are the only servers you’ve joined
Hmm? I just scrolled through 100 of the top Revolt servers.
I just counted them, assuming you mean the first 100 servers featured in the discover tab. I counted only 6 like what you were talking about, 3 that use it while talking about inclusivity, 5 about anime / japanese games (you should know what I mean), and 1 that associates it with Linux so I don’t know if it’s joking or not.
