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That moment when you quit the arms company and joined the legs company:
I’m stealing this
Raytheon would be equally accepted here.
Yea I’m an LGBTQ+ ally:
The ally they’re talking about:
L ockheed Martin
G eneral Dynamics
B AE
T exas Instruments
Q inetiq
“our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!” -their motto, probably
"our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!" -their motto, probably
Bravo!
Defense industry, law enforcement, and surveillance are all instant dealbreakers for me whenever a recruiter reaches out to me. And sadly that seems like the vast majority of positions for which recruiters are looking for candidates.
That or AI shit.
I’m so tired of the tech industry.
Science grad with 10 years engineering experience. I had to turn down a lot of jobs before I found one that didn’t involve killing people. It took two years. I’m paid about half of what I could get if I sold my morals. Totally worth it.
Depending on engineering discipline, oil & gas is another common one.
There’s positive tech stuff out here too, bud. You’ll likely need to look for yourself though, the recruiter reaching out to you is better funded for some reason.
When you’re 60 and the choice is either a permanent contract for the army or 1 or 2 years elsewhere, you’re going to choose army.
Nope
Oh you will, you will. Trust me, young people.
PS I’m not talking about the US military, because I’d rather live under a bridge for the rest of my life.
Just because you sold your soul to the devil doesn’t mean others necessarily will.
If anything, doing it in your 60s is even more morally reprehensible because you should have enough world experience by then to understand what militaries truly are. Both the atrocities they commit regularly on behalf of politicians and vested interests, and the lies and manipulation they perform during recruitment to get young people enlisted.
Not everyone is morally bankrupt. Stop projecting
You’re not a researcher depending on funding that barely exists anymore, I assume.
If an army is dumb enough to offer me a permanent position when I’m 60, I’d take it too (then immediately retire and live off the pension).
I just use my skills to make gooner games. My soul is pure. To heaven I shall go. Unironically.
I would like to goon to some of your games
This is why I focused on graphics hardware for so long… Then some arsehole came up with running AI on GPUs.
Yeah, I got started in silicon thinking cheaper, faster, more power efficient chips would be a net benefit to the world… Then we became a social media surveillance state and AI dogshit is just the icing on the cake.
Now I drink to forget we’re boiling the oceans to ruin society. One day this capitalist hellscape will end.
Doing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
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Communists and capitalists both made WMDs and murdered millions for their own gain
No. That evil has nothing to do with whichever socio-economic system is your particular choice of boogie man.
Socio-economic models have to do with pretty much everything that happens in a society. They define the preferred end goal of most actions. In feudalism it would be to better expand and defend the territory of your liege, for example.
What I meant is that wielding new science and technology against people is in no way unique to capitalism. Every system we’ve ever tried has done that at one point.
No one said it’s unique to that particular system. As I said feudalism would do the same for different reasons
But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have a system that disincentivises harming others and even if it’s implemented it doesn’t mean no one will be harmed.
Traceur201 said that.
He did not say it’s the only system where it happens
It seems he was just saying that in the current socio-economic model for most of the planet the elite of that system (the “capitalists”) push for that behaviour, not that it wouldn’t happen under any other
If I say I get wet when it’s raining outside, I’m not implying I can’t get wet during a sunny day (I might just have bad luck and someone dumps water out of a window)
This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I’m always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.
This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.
I may be an engineer, but I am still too fucking stupid to get a job at an arms company
It’s easier than you’d think. The applicant pool doesn’t tend to be the best and brightest.
One of the guys I went to college with is an amazing programmer and had such a great understanding of C that hes why i got as far into CS as i did, couldn’t get a job after grad because 1) Covid and more importantly 2) he’s insufferable.
He got a job making $100k a year for I wanna say Lockheed because he quote “Wrote good looking code”. That’s all they needed because Tue DoD already told them that the project he was hired for was not going to be adopted, but they were still contracted for minimum 2 more years of development and Lockheed would be in breach of contract if they weren’t making progress even though it was already Dead.
The Military industrial complex is JUST a grift to put tax dollars in private hands.
There’s a monumental amount of waste in there. I’ve seen a department order a truckload of equipment from compUSA, a reputable vendor, and it shows up with open brown cardboard boxes of used equipment. Staff SGT rubber-stamped it. Somebody made bank. Shit like that was ALWAYS going down.
He got a job making $100k a year
$100k per year writing code at a defence contractor isn’t very much.
That’s why I work at a legs company
Some of us turned down Lockheed and Raytheon.
You turned down lockheed, lockheed rejected me.
Yeah, their equity package wasn’t as good as Anduril.
Weapons can be used for defense or offense. Just be sure that you can sleep at night with the potential consequences - and that your work may be used on the wrong side just as easily as the right side.
On the other hand, if you’re working for an Israeli defense company, you can be pretty certain where your results are going to go, and should maybe just… not.
Gods, I’m considering Job hopping and I saw Lockheed was hiring for my role, less experience, less certs, full remote, and quadruple my pay.
I had to block them on indeed and LinkedIn. I hated that I was considering it.
yeah they’re an option in my area and I’ve made the decision several times to not look at any positions they have
I sometimes wonder if we all truly have a price for our souls. I felt similarly when seeing positions at health insurance companies, pay was high enough that I paused despite how much I despise them.
Good that I only work for Palantir then
Can’t go to hell if you have no soul.
*taps temple
I think this is also true for investing in war companies (its the department of war now, so no need to keep up the defense charade), even if it’s just part of an index fund or ETF.
This is literally everyone with a 401k.
Yes, violence is literally all of capitalism.
Sadly, a matching 401k became the standard corporate retirement package over a pension.
However, you do still have a choice of what to invest in, even with a 401k.
Sometimes, sometimes not. Many 401(k)s have restrictions not that “you can’t invest in X”, just “you must choose from the things offered by this account”.
Department of War*
DBA Department of War Crimes
I don’t think anyone with an engineering degree would believe there’s a hell. Neither should you.
Although I can imagine what hell would look like: commuting for 1h to sit in an office that has more people than desks to have a zoom meeting over VPN with flaky wifi and AC that is set to overheat whoever sits under the vent and under heat everyone further.
Oh did I tell you that meeting could have been an email? And the coffee machine broke yesterday. And there’s a bathroom queue.
Well, tomorrow morning, commuting hell will be sitting next to me. I don’t know what those samosas had in them but I sound like a WWII machine gun nest and smell like aisle 3 at the spice store.
Leave it to an engineer to think that this meme is literally claiming there’s a hell.
Leave it to whatever your condition is to think that my reply was literally claiming that the meme was literally claiming there’s a hell.
there’s probably an infinite number of paths, and an even greater number of perspectives to be considered across each moment and position along each of them. or absolutely nothing at all. most other possibilities seem so unlikely, they probably aren’t worth considering
Instructions unclear, I work at a prosthetics company.
Im currently in school and trying to get into the prosthetic industry after I get my engineering degree. Any recommendations on projects that could help me flesh out my skills?
