Interesting how this seems to happen every single time there’s a large gathering of Republicans.
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You don’t understand, they aren’t gay, they are just men having sex with other men!
They’re just making sure they AREN’T gay by having sex with other men.
“How do you know you don’t like fucking men? Have you tried it? I know I’m super duper straight because I fuck a guy every week just to make sure I still don’t like it.”
Watching them process that is wild.
“I was only in there to get directions on how to get away from there!”
Ain’t nuffin gay about gettin yer dick sucked! Thems the ones thatter gay for suckin em!
Its not gay if its a girl’s dick.
Technically, yeah
In the wisdom of the ancient Greeks, you’re only gay if you’re a bottom
So if you’re a switch you’re fine? (That’s the term for someone who switches between top and bottom right?)
That would be vers or versatile.
Love that the two of you answered this at the same exact minute
What’s a switch then, or am i just hallucinating new terms here?
Switch is going between Dom and sub. Like being Dom top to sub top or sub bottom to Dom bottom.
Typically a Dom bottom is called a power bottom and a Dom top could call himself a Dom top or power top.
Technically it’s dom and sub, but colloquially it’s kinda both, yeah. Pretty sure they’d consider a switch a bottom tho, like a top is a never-bottom and getting pegged is also gay?
In addition to the other informative answers, the “serious” reply to the first question would be “no, not really”. I’ll summon up a “Tales of Time Forgotten” blog post on the matter, as best as I understand it, with the recommendation to read the original if you can.
The difficulty with understanding Ancient Greek sexuality from our modern perspective is that they didn’t strictly think in two genders so much as a scale of masculinity, or something close to it. Accordingly, sexuality wasn’t thought of in terms of hetero- or homo-, but as an act of the less masculine party receiving the more masculine one. The expectation then was that your role and choice of partners would evolve throughout our life and progress along the expected social hierarchy.
An adolescent boy in his mid-to-late-teens (~14-18) was expected to be courted by young men (in their twenties) and eventually choose a lover (although suitors did have to work for it and being “easy” was shameful).
It’s worth noting that there was a distinction between (adolescent) boys/girls and children, which were off limits. Obviously, adolescents are still vulnerable and the whole thing is still messed up by most modern western standards. “Not quite as bad” is still bad.
Eventually, they’d reach adulthood and thus become (young) men themselves and were expected to strive and even compete for the affections of boys.
In their late twenties to early thirties, men were expected to proceed to mature adulthood, losing interest in boys and seeking a girl to marry instead (with much of the same expectations as before, though arrangement of marriages typically gave girls much less choice).
Any significant deviation from that expected course would, of course, be considered shameful. There might have been some leeway on the age brackets, but the “direction” of the age dynamic was quite firm, and men seeking out or receiving other men was seen as unnatural and effeminate.
Female sexuality is much less well-attested, just as women in general are less “visible” in most sources, and somewhat contradictory. On one hand, Sappho of Lesbos achieved quite a reputation, but she was writing ~500 BCE. On the other, some sources written in the first and second century CE strongly condemn it. One woman is criticised for loving boys, which would fit with the expectation that both women and boys were to “receive” men.
This might have been a shift over time, but the scarcity of evidence makes it hard to pin it to that cause alone.
On the whole, it’s pretty clear that a male vers would not have been “fine” by any standard. Men were to be tops, boys to be bottoms and mature adults were to be interested in girls and women alone.
Vers is someone who both tops and bottoms.
Love that the two of you answered this at the same exact minute
What’s a switch then, or am i just hallucinating new terms here?
Like degen said, switch is if you do both dom and sub.
I’d argue they had it backwards, bottoming isn’t gay, it’s just having a fun experience. Penetrating another man is super gay though.
And only if you’re older than your top. Otherwise, you’re simply receiving some masculinity.
Choo choo!!!
They are imposing their dominance on weaker men. It’s not gay, it’s purely about dominance
Your problem, Henry, is that you are hung up on words, on labels: “gay”, “homosexual”, “lesbian.” You think they tell you who a person sleeps with, but they don’t tell you that. Like all labels, they refer to one thing and one thing only: Where does a person so identified fit in the food chain? In the pecking order. Not ideology or sexual taste, but something much simpler: clout. Who owes me favors. Not who I fuck or who fucks me, but who will pick up the phone when I call. To someone who doesn’t understand this, homosexual is what I am because I sleep with men, but this is wrong. Homosexuals are not men who sleep with other men. Homosexuals are men who, in 15 years of trying, can’t get a pissant anti-discrimination bill through City Council. They are men who know nobody, and who nobody knows. Now, Henry, does that sound like me?
“Henry, the only label I need is Sexual Libertarian. An omnivore of genitals and hearts. Come as you are… All over the place. And so will I. Does that sound enticing, Henry?”
Wtf is this from, it sounds like a fandom I need to join immediately
Roy Cohn https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Angels_in_America and there’s more context to the quotes, generally the context is realpolitik, power for power’s sake. A real asshole you wouldn’t want to play Diplomacy with. Someone with no ethics but winning. The subject of a run the jewels song.
FamilyFamously Donnie T’s never admit you lost coach. The message is alluring if taken at face value, and seems like wisdom, but if you get taken advantage of was it really you who was weak?Oh I thought it might have been like a TV show or something
Angels in America is a play and was made into some made for TV movies, yes. I don’t think Roy Cohn the man ever said that, although he was gay and it matched his attitudes.
I had no idea - my add-on comment was just what came to mind as would fit in well. Not shocked to learn it’s about Roy Cohn, though, the “I’m gay, but I exist in a plane of wealthy predator above normies that worry about their sexuality as a label because I’m allowed to participate in society however I want” vibe was strong. I figured it was Peter Thiel, so not far off.
They just like to suck other non-gay men’s cocks.
Doesn’t make them Gay necessarily, but it does make them at least Bi.
They’re called “brojobs” for a reason.
They’re always complaining about the MSM too!
A Republican manufacturer running for governor in Wisconsin as a conservative supporter of “family values” and President Donald Trump followed numerous sexually explicit accounts online, including a nonbinary pornography performer.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Monday that Bill Berrien, the CEO of Pindel Global Precision and one of two announced 2026 Republican candidates for governor, unfollowed several accounts in recent days after the newspaper asked about the matter.
This is part of the reason they are going after transgender people so much. Most Republicans are in the closet and they don’t want their past lovers to let the public know what they are doing behind closed doors.
It’s also why they choose so many white, blonde women to be their face on the news and in the Whitehouse.
They try so hard to make their voter base think they are " MEN!!" and do “MANLY THINGS!!!” When actually most of them are crybabies and closet bisexuals.
IIRC transgender porn is by far the most popular in the deep US south.
in utah, at least for PH statistics.
When actually most of them are crybabies
To be fair, they all cry on tv about how their feelings are hurt.
Also why they are convinced sexuality is a choice and they hate the ones who have made the choice they wanted to make but felt they couldn’t/can’t due to social and religious pressures.
some of them are into transgender people too, trans people are an easy target, because there is so few of them, and they dont have as much representation as the rest of the queer folks.
At the Manly Mens club in Manhatten.
The hypocrisy is what bothers me. These people scream about hating gays.
I think the guys banging them are worse. They’re fucking us all in the ass…
Plenty of closet gay or bi conservative men who hate themselves and other gay men for social/religious/political reasons but plenty of conservative hetero flexible men who find the thrill that comes with doing something “naughty” or the risk of getting caught appealing. If they were in more understanding situations, they probably wouldn’t bang other guys cause the thrill would be gone.
Maybe they are trying something at the one occasion in their lives when they are away from home?
Are these correlations actually indicative of mass closeted homosexuality in the maga Christian sect? It’s fun to believe that’s what it is but I have met a LOT of maga/far right homophobe types and it seems like a stretch to believe that a significant number of these people are secretly gay.
Lots of homophobes are closeted, self-loathing gays.
I mean sure, sometimes I feel like that narrative is blown out of proportion. But maybe I’m wrong. It’s more fun to think that’s how it is though, for sure.
And yet, so often, the loudest anti-LGBTQ voices turn out to be gay, and the loudest protect the children voices turn out to be kiddie diddlers or CSAM producers or hoarders. Often, where there is smoke there is fire and Republicans do a lot of smoking.
True.
Smoking poles.
If you are confident with your sexuality, why would it bother you what others do? It is not like it can switch who you are attracted to.
The only exception I see are the people who got convinced that gays can influence that their kids will be gays. That’s a bit harder to convince it is a bullshit.
convinced that gays can influence that their kids will be gays
if that’s how it works, then just influence your kid to be straight again, “problem” solved.
You don’t understand: teh gays are just cooler than straight people, so the kids are powerless against their ‘rizz,’ and boring straights can’t hope to compete.
That’s so funny, I’ve never heard it put like that but that’s exactly what a lot of them think.
This is especially crazy thinking in places where being gay is hell (in some especially bad ones even punishable by death). If it was a choice, why would someone willingly choose that, when being straight is so much easier.
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That IS how some people think it works, which is why conversion therapy gets pushed. I appreciate that you were joking but it would be lost on anyone you’re actually talking about.
Yeah, your logic follows. Maybe I’m wrong.
Every time my mom is transphobic, she says something that makes you think 🥚. Last time was talking about how bad female fat distribution is and how she’d like to take T.
Female fat distribution is much healthier than male fat distribution. There are a few reasons why women live longer on average, and this is one of them.
I wouldn’t care if its less healthy. I don’t that matters enough to even factor into the question.
That’s all fine. It was a random fact, I didn’t mean much by it.
How else can you explain the phenomenon in the headline? It’s genuinely not the first time a large GOP event crashed grindr.
Self-loathing bisexuals.
“If I can choose not to be gay, so can you.”
Yes, yes they are. Through a friend I know a few trans and gay sex workers, and they make a killing every year at the RNC.
They should look into how much they could make through blackmail
Interesting. I have no context for that, but that doesn’t mean you’re wrong or that I don’t think your claim is credible by any means. It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong and the closeted gay Republican is as large and ridiculous of an issue as it appears to be.
No, a lot of them really are, it isn’t complicated.
Repress sexuality, sexual expression, codify a rigid set of norms around it?
It thus becomes fetishized, and this must also be a secret, because you essentially lose all your face, your social status, respectability, as s conservative, if you are outed.
We think it is ridiculous they are hypocrites.
They all know they are in the company of hypocrites, what they do not like is the tearing of the veil, the decomposition of the masquerade.
If it needs to be stated: I grew up in this culture and had to actively flee from it.
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Also, this is why conservatives associate trans people and homosexuals with pedophilia.
To them, it all falls into one bucket of forbidden faux pas. It is all heresy, it is all sin, all perversion, differentiation is largely unimportant, in fact even attempting to make the differentiation explicit is often viewed as a sin.
Of course, again, this makes all of this into secret fetishes, which the power hierarchy of their culture will nearly always orient itself in such a manner to protect the power structure itself, very often by supressing reporting or punishment for say, being an active pedophile or rapist, be this in the context of a family, or a wholr chuch body, whatever.
Its all there when you look under the curtains, but their whole thing is worshipping the curtains, the conformity.
Psychosexuality is the root of almost all politics, prove me wrong lol.
It’s like the old joke - what does one Mormon say to the other in the liquor store? Absolutely NOTHING.
LOL omg, I managed to not grow up Mormon but I certainly knew many of them, holy shit thats amazing, ahahahah!
Nah, you’re right.
I’m sorry to be the one ruining the fun. The graph is from down detector. A website where people “report” than a site or service is down.
I’m pretty sure at this point people just report grindr being down in any republican reunion just for giggles. During Eurovision and other promient gay friendly events that grindr is put under great stress haven’t go down in my experience. I doubt a dude funerals is going to make it.
That doesn’t take from a lot of republicans being closeted gay. But I’m almost certain on the troll factor being big here.
Yeah. It’s honestly probably a little bit of that, a little bit that the closeted gay Republican theory holds water, and a little bit of the loghouse republicans in there.
Wouldn’t that be an interesting list of names, if it unfortunately ever leaked?
Leaking it wouldn’t really accomplish much because they’d just get replaced by more Republicans. But if they were blackmailed, that could potentially influence policy, or make the thief rich.
This generates so many questions it could be a study. I do not have any gay friends, or know of people around me who use Grindr so I guess if someone who does could tell me.
Do these people seek “locals” (nonMAGA) of towns/cities they live, or do they seek other MAGA hidden on the platform? If they’re looking for a non-MAGA partner, do they hide their leanings? Is it just not something discussed during dms before hooking up? Do they often become toxic and try to bully the partner or do they keep quiet and try to blend in with John Everyman? If they look for each other, do they have like…a tell on their profile to help signal to each other to help get swipes? Are they often top/bottom or is the demographic still case-by-case? Do they attend Grindr and mark “looking for friends” or “looking for hookups”? (Women used to use bumble a lot but like 90% of them were always marked as “just looking for friends” rather than hookups on their profiles)
This is the second time I’ve seen this phenomena of grindr spiking in a city where lots of MAGA congregates, but I dont think I’ve ever heard of assaults on homosexuals from maga people specifically after a hookup on grindr, in local/national news
It’s gay (or bi) MAGA men in the closet seeking hookups with people in other towns so they don’t bump into them later at the grocery store with their wife.
These are the same people that will say shit like “faggots make me sick” and some probably even go gay bashing.
Their religion and culture have damaged their brains into rejecting who they are and what they want in life and will violently lash out at others who embrace who they are.
I’d feel pity for them if they weren’t such horrible humans.
These are the same people that will say shit like “faggots make me sick” and some probably even go gay bashing.
My pet theory is that these bisexual conservatives are the origin of the “it’s a choice” thing. Because they do wake up every morning and choose to act straight in everyday life. And since they do it, they assume every gay person can do it. They’re just bisexual, and constantly deny that they find the same sex attractive.
Their hatred for gay people runs so deep because whenever they see an openly gay person, they see the part of themselves that they constantly deny; The part that they’re only able to deny by constantly telling themselves that it is disgusting. Because if they stop telling themselves that, they’re afraid that they’ll give into it. So whenever they see an openly gay person, the internalized “this part of you is disgusting and you should feel ashamed of it” part of them bubbles up to the surface and manifests as “just choose to be straight” homophobia.
I agree with this. Believing this also makes me comfortable in my straightness. I love the gay community, gay bars make the strongest drinks, and they are fun as hell to be with. They can grab my ass all they want, but I’ll always reject them. My fellow gay humans, keep being fabulous baby!
100%. They feel gay, but they deny it, and live a straight life, so they thing EVERYBODY thinks like that, and gay people are just those who are too weak to resist it.
They don’t understand that MOST people don’t struggle with it because they aren’t gay. I never made the “choice” to be straight, I just am. Gay people don’t make the choice to be gay, they just are. If you are making a choice, it’s because you are denying who you really are.
more than likely its a gay waking up morning “im not gay and its a choice” these people are more in denial than bi people.
No I understand the rationale and why this occurs in the way it does, but not the process theyre going about it.
My thought was “surely if there was a larger trend AFTER these hookup patterns there’d be talk of it” but I am not the type of person/near the people who would be affected so I hear nothing and find that…unusual, given how much tea would be spilled back and forth on social media of “paul” recognizing “george” on grindr
(Women used to use bumble a lot but like 90% of them were always marked as “just looking for friends” rather than hookups on their profiles)
I’d just like to say, as a woman who used dating apps a lot in my young 20s, I didn’t put “looking for hookups” even when that’s what I wanted. If a woman puts on her profile that she’s looking for hookups, some guys become scarily entitled. For some reason some people think “wanting a hookup” means “I will fuck anyone who asks.” Which is… quite the bizarre leap. Add in, such profiles get inundated with messages - some guys will react poorly if ignored, while others will react poorly if responded to but then rejected. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation, with some unhinged folk who have your picture, name, and know what town you live in.
I quickly realized it was a bad idea and never chose that option on a dating profile again.
I figured, but also now theres just straight up separate pools I think. When you create an account one of the settings is specifically “looking for friends”. Part of “the game” I’m glad I dont have to race around trying to play anymore tbh. (But yeah no I get totally sucks on the women’s end too for the opposite reason it sucks for men)
dating sites, apps, “pickup games” draws out the creeps around women, aka “nice guys”. i happened to overhears a family member who binges on pickup material, and i noticed alot of the “artists” or people become from mildly offended to passive aggressive when they get rejected. its probably the passive aggressive that women should look out for.
“This is the second time I’ve seen this phenomena of grindr spiking in a city where lots of MAGA congregates”
This is easily the 6-7th time I’ve seen this exact thing. It’s hilarious every single time.
i would think some people would be embarrassed to tell people they are using grindr to tell friends or family. grindr probably more simple like looking for something more superficial, instead of deep down like political affiliation, like 6-pack, dick size, white or black. in gay porn its mostly these 4 categories, and some categories, includ gay nazis, skinheads,etc.(this is also some of the tindr profiles for superficial people to)
of course if one is in a relationship with a white supremecist it can be a huge problem or in just a occasional hookup
The gay Nazis are gonna be hella mad when they find out xstian nazis have been sizing them up for the ovens the whole time.
there is a major overlap between them
And they’ll gladly throw each other into the ovens to save themselves. Feels like beating a dead horse to bring up the “jews for Hitler” movement but here we are.
Part of the Grindset.
Don’t mind comment. Testing.
Replying to test. IDK what you’re testing, but just in case it helps.
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If the crowd doesn’t make the sound check guy ask the crowd to please be quiet for just a second then the crowd doesn’t belong at the show.
I always love when the people testing drums and guitars and such just jam a little. Sometimes it’s the band themselves, but often it’s just some stage hands having a little fun at work, and I’ll always cheer for that.
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Just new to lemmy. Testing how things work and what can be said.
This just gives me more anxiety that there really are homophobes on the app tryna murder gay dudes.
If the algorithm is any good, it’ll match them with each other.
Long tradition of two fisted gay men on the Right.
you see, it’s actually just a conspiracy by the gays, they all agreed to use the app nonstop at these times and ensure they submit issue reports, all to frame republicans
clearly the more likely scenario
Some people unironically in this thread suggesting exactly that! Occam’s razor, folks!
Imagine the utopia we could have if these cowards just came out as themselves instead of becoming psychotic self-hating fascists.
I know a guy who became viciously anti-trans. Like, you can’t have ANY political conversation without him getting upset and demanding “define a woman!”. And you can see the dude coming a mile a way, he’s huge but has the most feminine walk I’ve ever seen. More feminine than most women. LIke, transition and be happy bud.
We all pretend that we like to work. Republicans can’t stand the double standard and also pretend the rest of their lives.
