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    I shall make use of this whenever I shall enter discourse with the common enemy. Alas, thanks for allowing the addition of thy knowledge to me little brain. Perchance.

    Edit: forgot to tip my fedora

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      Human embryos (and probably others) start out female, and grow the male parts a fee weeks later. There is probably someone lurking who can give better details but that’s the gist of it. Thats why men have nipples.

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        You pretty much nailed it.

        Also, it gets much more complicated than that; at least 2% of humans are intersex, meaning they’re a mix of male and female, everywhere from outward presentation (rare) to chromosomal (more common).

        It’s not just gender that’s a spectrum: sex is, too. I said ‘at least’ because it’s possible for people to go their whole lives without realising they’re intersex. 2% is huge: if you know 100 people, statistically 2 of them are intersex. Most of us know more than that.

        The ‘only two genders’ thing is biologically bullshit. Biology is never cut and dried.

        eta: for reference, I have a disorder that’s been in the spotlight lately – Ehlers-Danlos – and you’ve probably at least heard of it. You’ve likely talked to someone who has it recently. It occurs in 1 in 20,000 people. Again, roughly 1 in 50 have intersex traits. I wish this had the visibility it deserves. It’s exceedingly normal.

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        Yeah the Y chromosome doesn’t kick in until later in fetal development.

        There’s actually a surprisingly small amount of biological information stored on the Y chromosome, IIRC the vast majority lies on the X.

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          There’s only around 700 genes in the Y chromosome, with only about 70 actually making proteins. Compare the X chromosome with about 800 protein-coding genes and 20-25,000 total genes.

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        About the nipples. You’re right in that we all get them by default. As I understand it the only reason males keep them is because evolutionarily it would take more energy to remove them than keep them. Basically we’re all slackers at the genetic level.

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      The He-Man series back in the 80s always ended with little moral quips, so this is mimicking that.

      The fact is that all fetuses start off assuming female, and then the presence of certain chromosomes trigger male anatomy.

      Hence all males being trans if life starts at conception, as at X week development shifts to generate the male oriented organs.

      At least that’s my understanding of this meme…

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        presence of certain chromosomes

        well, the presence of certain hormones that are usually regulated by some genes on certain chromosomes

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          And the reception of those hormones, which may not exist or may not be functional for some people.

          Turns out making beings out of trillions of cells of 100s of types (all of which have basically the same 3 or 6 billion base pair genome, yet have to act very differently) is complicated and any process has many steps, which involve various genes, receptors, signals, etc, all of which could be interrupted.

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      Embryos develop proto female genitalia that turns into male genitalia (or further develops into female genitalia). Iirc the seam on your testicles is where the opening closed.

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          Wrong mate. Check out Swyer syndrome.

          XY vs XX chromosome is meaningless, since XY females occur in nature.

          We all start as female and testosterone turns half of us into men.

          Edit: I also just learned that XX men exist. It’s called De La Chapelle syndrome. TIL.

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          It’s not just X and Y chromosomes that determine sex though, from what I’ve heard (from actual biologists). I don’t know the specifics though. I wish we could have up-to-date biology facts like this taught with the basics in grade schools, but I can only imagine the uproar while hostile parents are still going to court over effing gender pronouns.

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              I won’t have you teach my kids about this degenerate matter!

              You mean LGBTQIA+ people?

              No, degenerate matter! Unless you bring me a glass of, say, electron-degenerate matter, i won’t even entertain these made up states of matter! And shove your Bose-Einstein condensate where the light can’t exit the event horizon!

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          Incorrect. Without intervention by hormone signals, literally every human fetus would develop as a “female” with all the traditional female sex organs and morphology. I believe they’d even be capable of generating eggs and carrying babies, but I’m not as confident on that.

          A lot of people think that the XX or XY is determinative or definitional, but it’s always the hormones, baby.

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            No, hormones are necessary for female reproduction. Read about Turner’s Syndrome (one X chromosome).

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              Also androgen insensitivity syndrome, when cells lack testosterone receptors. The complete version results in females with no uterus.

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      During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female.

      sauce

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    Have you seen the real skeletor on (what was Twitter)? Similar awesome humour, dealing truths, love it. Bought myself a skeletor shirt, because of.

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      Interesting findings, but intersex is a different thing to transgender (though more than a few people are both).

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      Fetuses are regularly assigned gender, whether they have one or not (and by the time you can have a high-confidence guess at genitalia, the brain’s gender might already be somewhat determined). At conception, many transphobes would try to assign gender based on chromosomes even though those aren’t even used for assigning sex and certainly there is no gender given there’s no brain yet.

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    Nah. Not the same. That is called biology and the human evolves in a male or female naturally. On the other side you have the use of artificial hormones and operations.

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      Hi, just letting you know intersex people exist. Sometimes when you’re wrong, that’s an opportunity to grow as a person.