"Parents of some of them were killed by occupation authorities, others were simply issued Russian identification documents to legitimize their abduction," said Mykola Kuleba, head of the Save Ukraine organization.
  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
    47·
    8 months ago

    Child trafficking with some eugenics sprinkled in.

    Really fucked up, and this is what we know during the war, imagine what could come out after.

    • Mirshe@lemmy.world
      13·
      8 months ago

      I wouldn’t be shocked if some of the older kids that didn’t get shot as “enemy combatants” got pressed back into service for Russia at the end of a gun.

    • Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world
      47·
      8 months ago

      “Brought to you by the unbiased news source – kyivindependent.com”

      This kind of snarky dismissal is a textbook example of the genetic fallacy. It’s rejecting an argument or claim solely because of its source, rather than engaging with the content, the evidence, or the reasoning behind it.

      Yes, The Kyiv Independent is Ukrainian, and yes, it likely carries national bias. Just like literally every national outlet does during wartime. That doesn’t automatically invalidate every fact it reports, especially when those facts are supported by third-party evidence and international bodies.

      In this article, for example, the claim about the child adoption “catalog” is backed by:

      Screenshots from Russian occupation websites, figures from Save Ukraine ( a long-standing NGO) and references to internationally verified abductions; numbers confirmed by Ukraine’s ombudsman, the ICC’s arrest warrants, and other human rights organizations)

      So even if you don’t like the outlet, you’re still responsible for engaging with the facts, not just rolling your eyes and calling it propaganda.

      Dismissing credible, corroborated claims with a one-liner is lazy and cowardly. If you’re going to talk about war crimes and mass abductions, do better than a meme-level deflection and actually engage the facts. This isn’t some Internet drama without consequences; it’s the systematic erasure of children.

      • npdean@lemmy.todayBanned from community
        21·
        8 months ago

        Dismissing Russian media reports occurs way more commonly but no one says anything then.

            • loudwhisper
              1·
              8 months ago

              Did they report on those at all?

              I searched their websites and I got 0 hits on the Ghost of Kyiv, and 1 hit on Snake Island (this).

                • loudwhisper
                  3·
                  8 months ago

                  There is no such thing as “neutral” in a war, but facts are facts, and lies are lies. If the position people take means people say lies, you disprove the lies.

                  From all this word-soup I see that you have effectively not a good example of false reporting from the Kyiv Independent, and you cast a wide net to the whole “western media”.

                  What is an example of neutral media in your opinion that you consider factual and trustworthy?

        • Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world
          17·
          8 months ago

          Ah, so now we’re on to classic whataboutism fallacy. Pointing out that Russian media gets dismissed (often for good reason) doesn’t make it logically valid to dismiss any report just because of its origin.

          If you think The Kyiv Independent is questionable, that’s fine! Interrogate the claims. Ask:

          What are the sources?

          Are they independent?

          Can they be verified elsewhere?

          The same rules apply to Russian media and every other claim.

          But using other fallacies doesn’t justify your response. Saying “Well, people dismiss Russian media too” isn’t a defense. It’s just avoiding the argument again.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
          8·
          8 months ago

          Russian sources arnt legitimate, and are filled with propaganda, so its generally ignored. it would be deleted on reddit as it would here as well.

    • Cryptagionismisogynist@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
      12·
      8 months ago

      Here’s another older source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-children-russia-war-kidnapping-evidence-b2717730.html

      Children from Eastern Europe have been considered prime trafficking victims for several decades now. They are usually white and easily accessible, often sitting out on the streets.

      Here’s a documentary about Romanian street children: https://youtu.be/HDiIrdzFGCY

      Here’s Robert Maxwell trafficking them: https://www.nli.org.il/he/images/ nnl_archive_al990040300950205171/NLI#$FL45875197

      There is substantial evidence that torture, snuff, rape, bestiality, and CSAM materials coming from Russia are made by Putin’s request and put out by his request to accrue blackmail on the people who view them online. A large part of what many world leaders want today are just straight up children and babies as a commodity.

            • Cryptagionismisogynist@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
              3·
              8 months ago

              Worse than imperial China? The Mongols? Alexander the Great? The Dutch and Dutch East India Company? The British? The French? The Spanish?

              There is no “lesser evil.” There are assholes in charge who kill and enslave people just living their lives. There are rulers and enforcers who work together to trick the public en masse that any one of them is better than another. When at its core, owning and harming others is inherently wrong with no middle ground and benevolent slavers are still slavers.

              Just like it isn’t the Russian people who want war or want to fight in war, it is Putin and the wealthy who want it, to kill their own men and to thin the herd. They can then take their money and stuff after they die. It’s not just about what they gain from Ukraine, it’s also about an attack on their own people.

  • jimjam5@lemmy.world
    6·
    8 months ago

    Always nice to pop into these posts to see what (new) users I need to add to the block list.

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
    4·
    8 months ago

    they used filtration camps to obfuscate the kidnapped children so its harder to track them down, they give them false identity and put them up for adoption, or in an orphanage.