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that forced restart is probably going to be a huge win for our rolling release brothers and sisters.
Why? I already reboot daily because everything gets updated so much. (I’m into that)
When you get into servers, uptime becomes your drug
Firefox on a server?
I think some servers have an actual DE and all. If I remember correctly, I’ve seen centos with gnome.
I installed a DE on my server, I just disable sddm unless I need to do something in a web browser on that machine. I haven’t needed to yet, but I have it just in case.
It really shouldn’t though. Reboot your servers
Very true. I used to poweroff my laptop every day, but now, after getting into servers, I sometimes leave my laptop up overnight (even though the laptop isn’t the server)
Why waste energy and lifetime of a machine so it sits there and does nothing?
I run Ubuntu Server on my server, but on my computer I want updates as soon as humanly possible.
I’ve got a super ignorant question; Is the situation with session saving on Linux desktop environments with default settings finally locked in enough that you literally can’t tell when a reboot has happened once the session is restored? Including user space apps? _Redacted_OS has been so good at this for so long that I literally don’t think about uptime on my daily driver anymore.
I’m on KDE and I’m not doing anything special regarding this, and for me the answer to this question “somewhat”. I specifically hate when apps are starting by themselves so they don’t do for me and I’m happy about it. But when I turn on most apps that I use they open in the state I closed them in.
no, at least not if you’re doing anything with poorly supported hardware with it’s own configuration tools that reset when it loses power (it is powered when the computer is on but sometimes stays powered through reboots)
Why?
Does one reboot their entire system after updating Firefox on Linux?
I never do. I don’t even restart Firefox after updating, if it is already running.
I never do. I don’t even restart Firefox after updating, if it is already running.
Clearly you don’t use it often, firefox will force you to restart itself and refuse to render webpages.
I guess I am lucky that it does not refuse to work since it is my default browser across all my machines.
Linux machines?
Because on my Linux machines, once it’s been updated, I can not open a new tab, it’ll tell me to frig off and restart. I can click links in existing tabs, and might’ve been possible to enter a new URL in an existing tab, I don’t recall exactly.
Can you even update Firefox while it’s running if you’re on windows?
No idea lol
WHAT??? ALL OF THOSE FEATURES HAVE BEEN IN NIGHTLY FOR A MONTH AND I STILL ALWAYS RESTART IT OUT OF HABIT! IT’S LITERALLY PART OF MY ROUTINE AND NOW YOU TELL ME IT DOESN’T NEED TO BE ANYMORE?
Watch out, we got a badass over here. Running a nightly build and not reading the patch notes, so brave.
Sometimes I’m too tired and/or lazy to read through dozens of commits on their repo
Oh yeah, I live dangerously too. If it breaks, I can fix it and the total effort of fixing the random problems that happen is less than I would spend reading patch notes.
But, we got newbies here and we gotta teach 'em right from wrong.
You have to learn the rules before you can know when it’s okay to break them
99% of problems I have with arch testing can be resolved by simply downgrading a package, if I can’t fix it by any other means
Then use the releases, that’s literally what they’re for.
Why tho? I never complained about the way it is, I use testing/nightly/beta/alpha everywhere and I rarely have problems. Also with FF. I was more ranting about myself not realizing that the requirement was gone, considering I, multiple times, upgraded and then e.g. opened a few tabs after, which usually prompted for a restart. And in the end, it’s not gonna change anything, as the point of nightly is to catch any bugs and instabilities, which would very likely only occur after a restart of FF.
AND THE BEST PART IS THAT YOU STILL CAN RESTART IT IF YOU WANT TO! WELCOME TO THE FUTURE, LUCY!
AND ADD THE OPTION TO REPLACE SPACEBAR HEATING!
Getting rid of that forced restart will at least help me personally stay more secure and get bug fixes faster
lol I was so confused by Firefox not needing to restart that I tried running update again and then closed it myself because I thought something went wrong
How was memory use actually reduced? I read several articles on this, but I didn’t see anyone talking about how they achieved this.
Fork server - eliminates the need to restart and reduces memory per new process
Awesome! Thanks.
Charlie’s still using that gamer version of Opera though. With the fake key stroke sounds enabled.
Charlie is a simple creature.
woah what that sounds horrible lmao
Oh thank god. I’ve been getting crushed by memory sucking tabs.
My experience with childhood computers conditioned me to close everything instantly when I’m done with it even if it means I might have to reload the page later.
1GB RAM netbook represent
Laughs in automatic tab suspender
I swear to God, if I ever have to restart my Firefox again because snap without asking updated Firefox again in secret, I’m going to fucking lose it…
You’re going to lose Snap? That is an option, you know.
Losing snap is an upgrade.
It legitimately is. I saved 14 seconds on my boot time by removing snap. That may not sound like much but when you are just looking at a black screen for 14 seconds after getting past grub, it seems a world of difference.
Yeah, did that already on my office computer, still gotta do that at home. However, just to ensure they’d screw over the users, they made sure that upon installing Firefox, snap would be installed again unless i sacrifice a goat.
I so wish Ubuntu would just fuck off with snap, its awful
Yup. Even if you add the official mozilla repos, Cannoical adds a prefix to their version so it always takes precedence over the official release. You have to pin the mozilla repo to blacklist the snapped version.
Same goes for Thunderbird.
I’m sure Snap has some security advantages for many users but they’ve made it so user-hostile for those who use native browser extensions or who want to automate deployments with just one packaging system.
Anyway, rant over - fuck Snap.
Fully agreed, fuck snap
Try Fedora bro trust me bro
Been on Fedora in and off since before it existed, bro. Not a fan, bro
Good to know that I am not the only one mistaking Cr1TiKaL aka MoistCr1TiKaL aka penguinz0 aka Charles Christopher White Jr. as Asmongold aka Zack Hoyt (the rightwing influencer).
the guy in the picture isnt the cockroach king?
… i was supposed to be restarting after updating Firefox???
Just restarting Firefox, not the entire system.
Which doesn’t really matter for 99.99% of users that are sane and only use a couple windows and tabs at a time. Saving things they aren’t actively using anymore as bookmarks and using the browsing history for anything they closed previously but need again.
For the 0.01% of insane but vocal users that never close tabs and/or keep dozens of windows open, that’s a big deal.
ah, then yeah I just have “restore previous tabs” selected and restart the app, no biggie
Private windows are not restored.
That used to fail pretty frequently for me. It wasn’t the worst bug, but it was pretty annoying.
Yeah that’s what those of us that are sane experience, but that only works for the last window closed.
usually the “restart to update” closes all windows at once, then opens them all again.
call me out why don’t ya?
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Oh, that is good news. Hurray!
My switch to linux came just in time bby
When was this? I just had to restart about a week ago
It’s in the just released version 141
I had to restart today.
…
I miss the days when it was normal to just shut down the pc when you were done with it. Leaving things on all of the time isn’t healthy.
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Fans and pumps don’t have any moving parts any longer?
Ramping up or down degrades your fans and pumps faster than keeping them at a low constant RPM, so yes, idle beats shutting down.
Ideally they’d be set to not be running unless they’re actively needed.
I’m talking about my health, not the machine’s health.
you are replaceable, the machine is not
Praise the Omnissiah!
Lol
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When I finish what I want to do on my PC, I type “yay” enjoy text and pacmans going left to right, press enter some times, and type sudo pw some times.
After that I reboot to check, that I am not stuck in TTY and turn off afterFully disagree. Just leave it on, restart it once every 7-10 days if you’re using windows. Linux, reboot when it asks, could be months.
I leave my work machine on constantly, but am very careful and shut down my home machine when I go to bed.
It just feels wrong to leave it powered up.
Still does telemetry, and allows easy fingerprinting by default. Use Librewolf instead.
Or you can just opt out if you don’t think Mozilla should have this data which is strictly about the browser and whether it’s the default browser, and which in no way compromises any personal info.
Just because something uses telemetry doesn’t mean it’s used in a way that compromises your personal data.
Google, Microsoft, Facebook and many others do that, Mozilla/Firefox does not.You probably missed the news. But Firefox is becoming a data seller too.
Recently they updated their policies, since they are on GitHub you can see the exact changes.
One of them was the elimination of a phrase like “we won’t sell your data, and that’s a promise”. So promise broken I guess.
You probably missed the news.
No I did not, but did you ever stop to wonder why there is so much anti Firefox propaganda, as Google is trying to prevent ad-blockers?
Manage technical and interaction data collection settings in Firefox:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interaction-dataWhat is technical and interaction data?:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interaction-data#w_what-is-technical-and-interaction-datainformation about how Firefox functions on your device and how you use its features. This includes performance details like page load times, and memory usage, as well as insights into which Firefox features you interact with, such as bookmarks, tabs or settings. Additionally, it collects general device information, including your operating system, browser version and hardware specifications. Mozilla uses this data to enhance Firefox while respecting your privacy.
There is zero, zip, zilch, nada personalo info collected.
So please point out to me which of these it is that worries you?
Also please point out which of these it is you think Mozilla would be able to sell?Firefox is becoming a data seller too.
I think that technically that is libel!
It is not propaganda as it is factual information. If you believe this is 4D chess from Google to manipulate us to dislike Firefox you are out of your mind. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e this is an actual commit made by mozilla. It was not made by Google.
Changes include:
- Removing “we don’t sell access to your data”. Curiously this change is only for the TOU. Presumable because that is legally binding. Idk where the “else” branch is displayed though.
- Removing this question from FAQ: “Does Firefox sell your personal data? Nope. Never has, never will (…). That’s a promise”
- Remove another mention in the TOU “and we don’t sell your personal data”. That again was not removed from the “else” branch
That to me indicates one of the following:
- They have started selling data.
- They plan on selling data in the near future.
- They don’t feel confident that they can keep that promise forever. That is, they see a future where they sell data.
I don’t like either of those alternatives.
I don’t know if they are able to sell the data you mentioned. Because I’m not in the enshittification minds of giant American corporations. 20 years ago people would laugh at the idea of buying data about the screen size of a user. But now they do, and use it for fingerprinting. If recent history has shown anything is that most data has some kind of value. And giant corporations will find their way to use that data against users.
I’ve seen way too many companies that were supposed to be the cool kids and were doing everything morally enshittify. There’s no reason to believe Mozilla is going to be different. They’re showing the same signs.
I never claimed they didn’t remove those lines.
But your screen size is NOT personal info.Also this line was in my previous post:
Mozilla uses this data to enhance Firefox while respecting your privacy.
So how do you imagine selling personal data is respecting privacy?
Again what you are doing could be libel, you have zero evidence to back up your claim, it’s pure speculation.
by the way some people talk here you’d think “telemetry” was a synonym to “satanism”.
telemetry is not automatically evil.
It would be ok if it was opt in
since 99% of users never touch a single setting on their computers, being opt-in makes telemetry functionally useless.
and if there were laws with actual penalties which ensured that it was only used for providing the service and not assimilated into a data broker database so that their clients can guess which shampoo I’m going to buy or which brown people they can kidnap.
A man can dream
The EU has been making some good progress in that direction luckily
The vast majority of progress on privacy rights and electronics regulation for the US Consumer is because of EU regulations.
We’re unlikely to see any progress domestically anytime soon.
I thought they specifically take anti-fingerprinting measures by default? Is this not true?
They do, but just like anything dealing with security or privacy, there are degrees of inconvenience and “breaking” that are not suited for every situation.
Firefox is a good default, but if you want more privacy, LibreWolf is an option. LibreWolf configures more settings by default to protect your privacy— but these come at a cost. The cost being that more websites are likely to break and/or need “fixing”. Look at the list of features that LibreWolf may break here [0]. This is not a browser for your general family or someone who just wants things to “work”.
Interestingly, LibreWolf disable Google Safe Browsing, which they actually recommend you enable as Firefox has implemented it in a privacy preserving way. The devs disable it by default in LibrewWolf for a semi-technical reason [1]. Without Google Safe Browsing you will not get warned about dangerous sites known for phishing, malware, or unwanted software. Technically inclined people may not want this, but I would never disable this feature for friends/family as that would put them at risk.
Lastly, if your friends/family ran into website that doesn’t work, they will not be troubleshooting the problem or trying to find a workaround. They will uninstall the browser and go running back to Chrome- this is the fine line that Firefox needs to navigate to ensure they protect user privacy, but don’t inconvenience those who don’t have the technical chops or patience.
[0] https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#what-are-the-most-common-downsides-of-rfp-resist-fingerprinting
[1] https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#why-do-you-disable-google-safe-browsing
