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it’s so fucking true
Anytime they pull you into an argument, suddenly 5 more show up to try and overwhelm you. There’s no way it isn’t a deliberate tactic.
I had three at once ask me why no one was defending me. I just said i didn’t need anyone to brigade for me. They didn’t seem to like that answer lol
The three notifications in my inbox before this one were .mls misreading my comment.
That is a tactic they learned from real life tanks. Argue with one tank, more tanks show up.
Tanks are pack hunters, after all.
I think they can’t stand talking to each other unless it’s circle-jerking over how much “theory” they’ve read. So, they love getting a chance to scream at an outsider.
The arrogance of these people passing around their homework as gospel.
Plot twist. All 5 are the same guy using multiple alt accounts.
That was Hexbear’s modus operandi when they federated with other instances to “dunk” on people. Seeing as many HB users have .ml accounts to bypass defederation, it’s no surprise they keep up that behaviour on .ml. I’ve seen numerous threads where the vote count suddenly plummets right when a bunch of tankies show up at once to yell at whoever they consider a shitlib. Which is everyone who isn’t authoritarian.
The answer is not to get dragged into convesrations with idiots. We used to call it “not feeding the trolls” and it’s something of a lost art.
It will actually look more like this:
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Nailed it.
10/10.
Completely accurate, no notes
Thank god for the modlog.
They purge the modlog too.
Thats interesting, and kinda goes against the point of a modlog in the firstplace. Does an instance’s local copy of the log keep the actions?
Thats interesting, and kinda goes against the point of a modlog in the firstplace
Kinda. It is to hold moderators accountable for their actions, but if you’re both a moderator and owner of an instance, you are God on you own instance and you can purge whatever the hell you want. In this case, the owners of lemmy.ml are the tankies.
Does an instance’s local copy of the log keep the actions?
A modlog is instance specific and does not get federated, so lemmy.ml’s modlog is entirely different from lemmy.world’s modlog.
But you can see the modlog for specific communities, and that federates.
Defederated instances aren’t federated to see the content that would be moderated from their instance to make it to a modlog.
Skipping across potholes of a fragmented fediverse will cause all sorts of screwy results, especially when you have communities and users instance banned navigating defederated instances in these topics.
Defederating unravels the Fediverse, which is the point for some demanding it.
Defederation is necessary for the fediverse to work. It will get abused, just like any other tool.
Some mod actions aren’t federated to other instances’ modlogs. I’m not sure if this is just a federation glitch, or if they’re running a modified version of the Lemmy backend that let’s them exclude individual mod actions from federation.
I think ml does, there was accusations of them doing that.
I though that each instance would just log whatever mod actions get sent to it.
exactly what happened last time lol and now I can’t load comments on one of their communities I don’t remember which
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User was banned for this post. Reason: Encouraging voilence, jaywalking, and lewd behavior
Nah, it’s always
Reason: Rule 1
They also sometimes throw in Xenophobia as the reason, if you criticize the Russian or Chinese govt
Criticism of China’s government = sinophobia (somehow) = banned for bigotry
You can’t fool me!
If you make them look bad they delete the thread. It’s happened to me twice. I consider it a win, but it is sad that others won’t see how wacky they are.
They even downvote you if you agree with them.
serious question, is there any chance a large portion of these users are acting in bad faith and don’t actually believe these things because the now threads i see, the more that seems to be the case
They are very agressive, to the point where the slightest disagreement will cause them all to collectively (no pun intended) hound your comment.
Then they complain about leftist infighting.
This was literally my onboarding experience with a .ml account. I dunked on some power users out of the gate (by pointing out they clearly had not read the essay they linked) and was put on a short leash from then on. To the point where I’d catch new bans for posting anything even remotely political.
Oh man there should be a thing where people start taking screenshots periodically in case of thread deletion so they can be displayed in a hall of shame or something
Ok, what’s a tankie?
Originally, it meant people who supported the soviet union’s use of tanks to crush uprisings.
Now its used to describe people who support Authoritatian Communist regimes, like the ussr, north korea or china.
On lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml there is a high amount of them.Somehow they even support modern russia which is as far from communism as it’s possible to be without being US
Their reasoning is that its anti-us imperialism, despite russia being pretty imperialistic itself.
Ah, the classic “only western countries can be imperialist”
Don’t forget that only US Capitalism is the root of moneys evils
the other vein of pro-russian tankies i’ve seen is that it’s impossible for a once communist country to backslide into fascis. how they square that and russia’s claim that they must destroy Ukraine, a country that was once not just communist, but anarcho-communist, in order to stop their backslide into fascism, i have no idea. perhaps if a person is actually familiar with history and not just a single pro-hegemonic propaganda, they wouldn’t be tankies.
i’ve been developing a theory, more of a hypothesis, really, that tankies, hoteps, white feminists, etc have figured out a part of the puzzle of oppression, and in their anger at waking up to that aspect of their reality, reject all other discourse surrounding the system of oppression that doesn’t mesh with their experienced oppression. this, in many ways, is the root of leftist infighting. everyone sees everyone else’s fight for liberation as a distraction from their own fight for liberation. the trick is, none of them are. they are simply different expressions of how the ruling class controls us.
when a tankie says shit like “the trans issue is a distraction” the are sparking leftist infighting, charitably unknowingly. our trans brothers, sisters, and thembers are our allies in this, and are generally speaking (not universally of course, i don’t want to give the impression anyone is a homogenous group) left as hell. we need them to help us in our fight because they are experienced, battle hardened, and see things the rest of us don’t see because they are tuned in.
the thing is that… yes. the culture wars are distractions. but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight in them. that’s like saying the best response to being bullied in school is to take your beating and tell no one because you’re focused on a bigger issue. that’s a great way to get your legs broke. the answer is to push back against the culture wars and say why we push back, and say that our enemy combatants are distracted from the real war. that they are acting as class traitors from a deep system of manipulation.
tankies don’t realize it, or maybe they do, but they’re conservatives. they seek to maintain a hegemony that oppresses us, the working classes, that has been shown not to work. authoritarian communism is still authoritarianism, and also expresses somewhere between most and all of the features of ur-fascism. it will never save us from our oppression. they also tell on themselves when they say “read theory” and all the books they reference were published before WWII. the world has moved on. we have learned more about our oppressors. they’re leaving out a century of theory when they say to read theory. they are practitioners of the religion of Marxist-Leninism
A lot of people don’t realize they are being manipulated to fight each other instead of dealing with the people who are actually causing the problems, the ones pulling the strings and syphoning off all the wealth for themselves and their friends.
It’s way simpler than this. They simply cannot admit that Lenin, Stalin and Mao just got communism wrong. They refuse to move on from those authoritarian traditions. That’s really it.
Marxism, in general is a very modernist political theory. For most of the 20th century, we extended most modernist ideals beyond that rigid structuralism. Leftism is no exception, but MLMs in general refuse to move past that way of thinking. As you say, it is very similar to the way that modern conservatives seem to hold that early 1900s thinking up as some philosophical ideal.
What people tend not to realize is they don’t support Russia because they think it’s still communist, but because of a combination of campism, accelerationism, and revolutionary defeatism. If you want to argue with someone in good faith you should try to understand their position first, otherwise they will just see you as a reactionary and dismiss what you say. I still occasionally get my comments removed from .ml but I’ve been able to get through to people somewhat by leading with an actual understanding of where they’re coming from.
I don’t think it’s fair to categorize it as accelerationist, although definitely campism and critical support (that is, taking a side while remaining critical of it) - like you said, they know and despair that Russia is no longer socialist, they only side with the RF in this conflict as a ‘lesser evil’ than the dominant NATO camp. We saw the US prolong the proxy war (it’s not their soldiers dying) until the they openly threw Ukraine away and negotiated terms with the RF when the war seemed no longer useful (this part usually happens more diplomatically and privately in a proxy war, but it usually happens).
If you want to argue with someone in good faith you should try to understand their position first, otherwise they will just see you as a reactionary and dismiss what you say.
Absolutely. The .ml instances are stricter than most and don’t cater to anyone they perceive as ignorant and parroting propaganda in bad faith. From their point of view, it’s just as simple as how most instances would ban conservatives coming in and starting bigoted, ignorant oft-debunked Fox News arguments about racism and transphobia. Why bother platforming it?
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The authoritarian part waxes and wanes, there’s a few anarchists in their ranks who have no real solution after “tear it all apart”.
What then, boys?
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I’m sure there’s a couple of genuine ones but tbh any anarchist who mostly hangs out with tankies is pretty sus imo
Thanks for taking the time to explain. Much appreciated.
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Anyone to the left of morning Joe?
Nice rainbow
Maybe they were all commenting on your spelling of “criticising”
meh, its one of 10-15 words I use often, but can’t spell properly for shit.
If only there was some kind of spelling check.
It doesn’t work for some reason:
Works on my secret alt on another instance though.
Only an oqho wdors ewql can call someone an oqho wdors ewql.
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Sorry but this is incorrect. They get deleted before they could ever get that many comments!
Haha .ml sucks.
Are anti-genocide “tankies” really the biggest threat to democracy right now?
Fascists and Nazis are in the white house destroying the US. They are also on the verge of taking over and destroying Europe.
Everyone to the left of fascism needs to unite together to stop the neo-Nazis before it is too late. If the Nazis are allowed to start ww3 then nukes will end us all.
Yeah right now, I don’t care about tankies all that much. Are they annoying at times? Fuck yes. Are they a threat to my life? Fuck no.
I don’t mind moderating content online, but its fucking weird people are more pressed about Tankies online, spending more time about them than Trump. At least memes can maybe sway someone about the terminally online, it doesn’t stop Trump when someone shares a meme.
I guess so, but they seem a bit more focused on liberals than conservatives.
It’s a coward who needs an echo chamber to find support for their perspectives.
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Thunder (indirectly) mentioned!!wrongWait, is it Jerboa?wrongThe default lemmy ui.
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Maybe Voyager?
Sync has rainbow too
Locking as people have reached the point where they’re just insulting each other/telling each other to kill themselves.
That would be the preferable result rather than just getting banned or the comment/post deleted.
I think OP is upset that .ml accounts aren’t being banned or deleted.
But it’s all bait, regardless. Most liberals only know the word “Tankie” to mean “People who down voted me on Reddit and don’t want to glass Beijing”.
You’d be hard pressed to get anyone’s actual politics on the Hungarian Revolt of 1956 that goes farther than “Soviet Tanks Are Bad”.
Nah, it’s people who defend Russia mostly.
I haven’t seen this that often tbh. Is there really a lot of Pro Russia sentiment?
Genuine question, is anti-nato anti-imperialism the same as “pro Russian” I’m not anti-nato however I can understand the sentiment
In practice, they usually go hand in hand.
The people who are “anti NATO”, or claim it is an imperialist organisation, almost always proceed to make excuses for Russia’s actions, or blame NATO for trying to expand for the invasion of Ukraine.
Real Red Scare Hours, who up?
Is it pride month already?
