i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.
its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.
i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.
and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn’t deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!
ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.
idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.
America caters to everything chuds love and attracts them here.
Think about the flip side, if you lived in a communist country, would you want to leave it to come live in this reactionary hellhole?
When a lot of immigrants from Cuba, Vietnam, and China came over, the US was around 30-40% of the WORLD’s GDP. These three countries’ lifespans were literally a full decade lower than America’s. The infrastructure and technology was easily many many decades behind
Not to mention a normal job in the US at the time could afford you a house and lifestyle that even the wealthiest of those countries would dream of
I mean yea there’s a fuck load of South Vietnam immigrants but this argument is missing a lot of historical analysis
A lot of Westerners who think the US is bad (materially) literally have no idea what China in the 1990s looked like.
in fairness i dont know what the us looked like in the 90s either.
Literally the same, the US hasnt changed at all for normal people
Housing cost less, that’s like 90% of what’s different
There was way less homeless people everywhere. More young people didn’t have to live with their parents as adults because housing costs were lower. Cars were smaller and less dangerous. Etc
Life has gotten worse
Exactly the same, except your computer had only one monitor, which was a CRT that took two people to pick up.
https://www.gapminder.org/dollar-street?min=2068
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The entire population of North and South America at the start of that project did not exceed a hundred million, and the vast majority of it was in central and southern America. There were not hundreds of millions of people in the US to kill.
Very possibly, every native American living within the modern borders of the US from 1400 to today might have totalled a hundred million, but the colonial project didn’t kill literally every one of them.
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This source supports me as far as I can tell.
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Your source places the highest estimates for a north American population at seven million. Most likely it was half that. “Hundreds of millions of people in the US alone” is what I am contesting.
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Well it depends, doesn’t it? If I were just an average person from a very poor country and a revolution just happened, and the government was having a hard time getting basic services set up, and suddenly we’re under sanction from the whole world, I’m not sure how I’d feel.
That describes people I know who came to the US from Vietnam. They grew up poor, a massive war happened, then the new socialist government had problems maintaining itself for a while.
Modern Vietnam is absolutely a success story though. It paid off in the end, but it took them a while. They’re building rail transport through the country finally, they’ve got a robust healthcare system, and their education seems top notch. But if I were someone poor coming out of a warzone in 1976 with no idea what 2023 Vietnam would look like, I could see wanting to leave.
Most of them left because they fought on the south Vietnamese side though and lost the war and fled so they didn’t have to face Justice for their crimes.