Now, the words and figures “with the exception of articles 2-c, 4-c, 5-c, 12-c, 13-c, 14-c, 17-c, 21-c and 22-c” have been removed from the Regulation, i.e. everyone will be recognised as fit under the “controversial” articles:
- 2-c – clinically treated tuberculosis;
- 4-c – viral hepatitis with minor functional impairment;
- 5-c – asymptomatic HIV carrier;
- 12-c - slowly progressive and non-progressive with minor functional impairment and rare exacerbations of anaemia, blood clotting disorders, purpura, haemorrhagic conditions, other diseases of the blood and haematopoietic organs, and some disorders involving the immune mechanism;
- 13-c - diseases of the endocrine system with minor functional disorders;
- 14-c - mild, short-term, painful manifestations of mental disorders;
- 17-c - neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders with moderate or short-term manifestations, with an asthenic state;
- 21-c – slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system with minor functional disorders;
- 22-c – episodic and paroxysmal disorders, except for epilepsy, with minor impairment of organ and system functions.
It doesn’t feel like a great idea to conscript those with mental health issues heavily impacted by stress.
Could always be used in administrative roles
True. I always read conscription and think “sent to the frontlines”, but there’s a lot of logistics and support that goes into an army.
My dad got drafted during Vietnam, and landed himself a position doing some supply/logistics stuff and basically spent his whole time chilling in Kentucky doing warehouse and office stuff. Admittedly he also did his damnedest on every aptitude test, evaluation, etc. they gave him to make himself out to be a coward and play up any non-combat skills he had specifically trying to end up doing something like that.
There’s of course a lot of differences between 'Nam and Ukraine, but at the end of the day every army throughout history has relied on a whole bunch of people who weren’t on the front lines to make things work. You need a whole lot of mechanics, warehouse workers, pencil pushers, IT staff, cooks, medical staff, truck drivers, etc. and if you’re able to use people who wouldn’t be able to hack it physically/mentally/emotionally on the front lines to fill those roles, it’s kind of a no-brainer so that soldiers who are able to do it aren’t tied up behind the scenes when they’re needed.
Of course it absolutely sucks for anyone who gets conscripted.
Somewhat similar to what happened to my grandpa. Technically wasn’t drafted, he had buddy in the draft office gave him a heads up that’d it’d be a very good idea for him to enlist soon. He ended up as a supply officer in Okinawa and got to take my grandma with him. Good thing too (and largely why it happened), the man’s eyesight is/was awful. He would’ve almost certainly been a dead man had he ever lost his glasses in combat
It’s a terrible idea and it tells me that all the propaganda were getting about Ukraine clearly winning and barely losing anyone is bullshit. They must be real desperate if they’re conscription people with mental disorders.
Look at the list and stop talking out your ass. Wars are won due to logistics, lots of paperwork and so on. Granted, the situation could be better, but let’s not pretend Ukraine has its back against a wall.
They are still kicking Russia like nothing before.
Also, they are not just accepting any mental disorder, there are many disorders that may prevent someone to be in the front, but they don’t prevent one to carry supplies from A-B in the back country. Wars are not just won through fights on the front.
If they could read they’d be super shocked by who the Russians are conscripting.
Wow… How do you think this works? Where are wars “won”? How is this not an act of desperation?
A wall is only as strong as its weakest section. This is indeed not great news.
My thoughts exactly. You put me on the front line and my general commander is getting a bullet. Not saying I’ll remember doing it but nobody dies except those that force me to kill.
Saying you don’t “remember” doing it is probably not going to help much in your court-martial when you’ve posted a pre-meditated plan to do it on an open social media platform beforehand.
Who tf cares lmfao.
You’ve been warned global military
/r/IAmVeryBadass
I would rather die than kill. If you tell me to kill I will kill you first to limit the amount of total death.
This is the ultimate utilitarian take on the ethics of the situation you dunce.
You say you’d rather die than kill, and then in the very next line you threaten to kill me for telling you something.
You need to read up on what being a “conscientious objector” is actually about, or whatever it is you’re going for here, because your philosophy is incoherent.
Believe it or not, this would completely cripple military power across the board. Overall, resulting in less death than the death of the white collar pencil pushers that command troops.
Sure you can be the bootlicker that shoots people for funsies, don’t come crying to me when you get drafted
Edit: where tf did I threaten you specifically?..
In other news, Ukraine has not held the passports of migrant workers and impressed them into the armed forces, unlike a certain other country.
Do you know how many Ukrainians actually have a valid passport?
Edit: rough estimate for issued passports
16,594,248 international passports issued since 2016 Population: 44,982,564 (2020), 36,744,634 (2023) ~37% to 45% => likely less than half of the population
https://opendatabot.ua/en/analytics/passports https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/#:~:text=The current population of Ukraine,latest United Nations data 1.
blood clotting disorders
you could not get me to go to WAR with a blood clotting disorder. Might as well just shoot me at the draft office and let me bleed out right there
There are roles for conscripts that don’t involve frontline exposure.
Are you really trying to justify this?
Yes they are lolol. Look at their history.
so citizens called to defend their country is worse than literal killers and rapists going into occupied territories the terroruzzzian mafia has been sending for a year now? ‘lolol’ the old men we see posted with their hands tied saying they have grandsons? ‘rofl’
‘tHrEe dAy sPeCiAl mIlItArY oPeRaTiOn’ right? fucken terroruzzzian clowns, dangerous clowns, but clowns none the less
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well, good thing they can set their conscription rules, no need for your approval son.
edit. fucken terroruzzian shills, copeing hard lately on lemmy. what a bunch of muppets.
What are you talking about? Satin error medusan pills, copying jarred tales of jelly. Pack lunch you bucket.
jesus christ
they must be running out of manpower
nah it’s fine, they just clicked “scraping the barrel”, now they just have to do some meme encirclements
smh shoulda done order 66 when they had the chance
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Totally the actions of a country that’s winning
Ukraine was invaded by a tyrant. The people have suffered for over a year, children have been slaughtered or lost limbs, civilians entombed in rubble, and the armed forces have lost tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands defending their homeland.
Now I’m not a violent man but I have to admit, in the face of all these poor people have suffered, reading your glib comment does make me feel like punching something.
Maybe they just want to get rid of them. The west seems to mind Nazis a lot less than losers.
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Real Volkssturm hours
Background: On 30 August, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported that at a meeting of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, it had been decided that a comprehensive inspection be conducted of the validity of decisions made by military medical commissions since 24 February 2022. These are decisions on disability and unfitness for service that were or may be related to corruption violations. All cases where the decisions were unreasonable and illegal should be investigated by law enforcement agencies, the president said. In addition, Zelenskyy announced that the system of determining fitness for military service must be reassessed to make it easier for commanders to recruit soldiers for combat missions and to prevent the concept of limited fitness from being manipulated.
All these comments “wow they’ll take anyone, they must be desperate.”
meanwhile Russia has been desperate for manpower this entire time and barely has enough morale to have people fight. Lmfao
Ukraine:
- closed border for all males;
- non-stop involuntary draft of unwilling citizens;
- resorts to conscripting HIV positives and people with mental health issues.
Russia:
- first wave of forced mobilization ended half year ago, second wave still not started;
- still has open border for most citizens (which actually helped a lot of them to avoid first wave of mobilization).
In alternative reality created by western massmedia this definately means that Russia is short of manpower. In world of logical thinking this actually means something else.
Russia did hire Wagner, who recruited from prisons, right?
All these fucking morons in this post thinking all these people will go to the front are delusional but go ahead and tell us how this spells the end of ukr lmao
This is who they were sending to the front in April last year so
Now show the Russians. LoL.
