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Democrats are committed to losing and are turning towards “we gotta be more racist and transphobic”.
Seth Moulton also turning on trans people and outright declaring himself transphobic after prior tweets recognising things like Trans Day of Remembrance.
https://x.com/SLCLunk/status/1854597079773200550
“Progressive era has to end” from Elise Jordan. When was there ever one?
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Just a reminder people who can’t beat Lindsay Graham aren’t worth listening to electorally.
Marx and Lenin continue to be vindicated by the passage of time.
No, the Democrats will not shift left. Their donors would rather they lose to republicans than win on a more progressive platform, and as such will not shift left.
No, we cannot “elect good democrats” to shift the party to the left. The DNC is an organization that has perfected itself as an anti-radical filter. Those who can fundraise well are elevated to the top, those who speak up against injustice are shunned and whipped.
We must actively organize outside the DNC and pressure the system. I keep an intro to Marxism-Leninism list I can link if anyone wants it, let me know.
Democrats in denial.
No way, Democrats have to pivot more to the right, surely that help, right? …right?
It helps their donors, who would rather the Dems lose than shift left and win.
It has helped exactly 0 times in the past, why wouldn’t it work this time?
Liberals are losing their minds blaming everyone except their dogshit policies and strategies.
You know what, yeah I did cause the Dems to lose. And you know what, I’ll fuckin do it again in the midterms if they don’t move left.
…i held my nose and voted democrat in the face of imminent fascism, and i’ll never forgive the fascists for forcing my hand…
…that hard choice wasn’t enough, though, and i don’t blame you for that…
Harrison has reportedly chosen not to seek to stay on as DNC chair but his dismissal of Sanders’s statement provoked anger of its own, including from the reporter and columnist Glenn Greenwald. “You and the corporatist and militarist party you lead just got your ass kicked all up and down the US, because Americans see that you only care about enriching yourselves at the corporate lobbying trough,” Greenwald wrote. “If the humiliation you just suffered doesn’t usher in some humility and self-reflection, nothing will.”
-rarely do I read an article and genuinely think “man, that guy got slammed.” as the rhetoric typically suggests, but wholly hell did Harrison get slammed.
You chose Glenn Greenwald as the avatar of this message?
If you had read the comment I was replying to, you wouldn’t be confused.
I didn’t see that the quote was from Greenwald.
That’s some broken clock shit.
Greenwald has always been a civil liberties-focused investigative journalist. He never “changed.” What changed was who was occupying the White House. To the surprise of Democratic party partisan hacks, Greenwald is deferential to neither party.
Quadrupling down is a bold move, DNC. Let’s see if it pays off.
Can we lose to Trump a third time? We shall see!
In this timeline, Dems will endorse and successfully help pass a repeal of the 22nd Amendment so they can run against Trump again (because he’s so beatable!) and still lose.
please don’t give them ideas
fuck me. lmao.
There will be no 3rd time, he didn’t even want to step down last time
Spoiler alert, it won’t. They were already alienating their base by playing the “both sides” card.
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Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.
Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.
Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story
Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.
If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].
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This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.
This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing
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Yeah… I don’t think you understand how politics works or how power works or who is really in power[1][2] or how the media & propaganda work. Your arguments are in the world of pure idealism. Real politics scarcely happens in the marketplace of ideas.
But like, keep thinking that you can use nerd shit to convince a bunch of bros to not vote for the exciting one.
I don’t know why you think I’m suggesting anything of the sort.
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It really sucks that you’re right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don’t seem to get about what you’re saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it’s intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he’s a strongman. It doesn’t matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can’t swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic “undecideds” the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.
Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.
get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him.
That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it’s not just about charisma, it’s about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charm, but also providing an entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you’ll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.
Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn’t the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don’t like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.
Obama would win against Trump so drop the ‘outnazi the nazi’ shit right now.
“We have the perfect candidate lined up for 2028! We’ve recruited Dr.Frankenstein and in a world first we’ve resurrected both Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, stitched them together, and they will be the new face of the Democratic party! Vote for us or you’re racist and just want Donald Trump to win!”
that monsters name? Ted Cruze
The date is January 20, 2030. President Rafael Theodore “Ted” Cruz, the Canadian Zodiac Killer suspect, enters the Whitehouse for the first time as Commander-in-Chief. He giggles stupidly as he steps into the Oval Office, patchy beard catching his spittle. His prodigious belly jiggles beneath his too-tight dress shirt and suit jacket as he walks. The seams of his pants strain with effort.
“Oh boy, are we going to do great things in here,” Ted says to no one in particular. His arms outstreched, he completes a full spin before plunging his face into Trump’s chair and inhaling deeply. The prior administration’s aides left it here for him, specifically as he requested. He savors the musky, faintly fecal aroma, his crooked member growing turgid, almost pressing against the inside of his trousers. Teddy shivers at the sensation.
“EVERYONE OUT!” his voice cracking as he authoritatively commands his aides to leave the room. He can’t take the arousal anymore. They stare at him open-mouthed, but they comply. They’ll always comply now. Ted smiles smugly, assured of his stately presence and presidential demeanor. Kneeling before the well-worn leather chair, Cruz meticulously unbuttons all but the top button of his shirt and tosses his jacket aside. Arms shaking, he drags the shirttails erotically over Vienna sausage nipples. Giggling, he says to himself, “Wouldn’t want to get you boys messy”, before throwing the shirttails over his shoulders. He feels majestic. Like Count Chocula from the cereal boxes mommy would never buy him. But now mommy is so proud of him and he can buy all the Count Choccy he wants. And oh does he want.
Ted whips out his phone but fumbles it. Wormlike, he inches across the floor to retrieve it. Retaking his position before the chair, he sniffs again. “Please look into the camera, no face detected”, his phone reads. He looks, poutingly at the camera. He tries smiling. He tries frowning. But still, the phone will not recognize his face as human. He begrudgingly enters his password, “Z0di4c1776,” and it unlocks. He holds up his Whitehouse ID to log into PornHub and navigates to the incest section by muscle memory. “Hot Latina MILF Makes Teen Boy a Man” catches his fancy. “Teddy’s been a good boy, mami”, he whines in a feigned Cuban accent. His hands are cold and sweaty with excitement. As he pushes play, his fat finger slips and the share menu pops up.
“Oh no Teddy you’ve done it again, don’t post it to Twitter like the last time - and on 9/11 too, so naughty,” he again shivers with an erotic sense of shame. “Oh, X, I’m sorry Elon”, he says turning to Musk, “No, it’s okay, keep going”, says Vice President Musk before crawling into an armoire, beady eyes glinting through the cracked door.
Teddy’s finger hovers over the X on the share menu, trembling. He catches a faint whiff from the chair and spontaneously orgasms. The muscles of his hand sieze up. “Oh Teddy look what you’ve done…”
I have terrible news, Margaronald’s tenure in hell made them unelectable among Christians. We’re gonna gave to go with plan B and get George Bush and somehow make him more racist
Take his paintbrushes and say black people did it
That trick only works twice, cause if you fool him twice, he won’t get fooled again
Trumps going for a 3rd term?
Trump Forever. We will know nothing but Trump.
Jokes aside he did mention years ago that he was due a third term because the Democrats were unfair to him so baby wants a do-over
And more recently than that he told Christians that if they vote for him they’ll never need to vote again
Looking forward to Trump Jr. and Eric…
Is it even satire?
That’s the best kind, when you get uncomfortable and say 'uhhhh… nevermind."
Fuck Jaime Harrison. What a dipshit.
Fun fact: 90% of Democrats quit moving towards the right before getting moderate republican support.
But on a serious note, I remember seeing a bunch of comments on Lemmy about how Trump was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again, yet this is something that might actually happen to the Democrats, given how they’re seemingly pointing fingers at everyone trying to find who to blame and who’s responsible. I really hope they don’t delude themselves into learning the wrong lessons, but it seems likely to happen.
was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again
At this point the only thing I’m hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can’t legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.
Wishful thinking, but possible.
As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it’s been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and “classical conservatism” for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.
The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.
Democratic don’t always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don’t show up to vote if the candidate isn’t as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it’s possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.
Fucking piece of shit.
He later served as a lobbyist for the Podesta Group.[4][11] His clients at the Podesta Group included banks, such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo, Berkshire Hathaway,[12] pharmaceutical companies,[13] casinos, the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, and Walmart,[14] among others.[15] In addition to lobbying work at Podesta Group, he has also lobbied on behalf of United Way Worldwide and the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities.[6]
There is no home for progressives in the Democratic Party. At this point the only hope is to go independent like Sanders or join one of the third parties and abandon Democrats entirely. Democrats will never learn.
Part of the problem is Sanders is one of the rare ones and he is just too damn old.
That’s why I favor building a labor party and splintering the Democrats away from their shitty party. Their party is full of people who do not belong and would be more at home in a different party, if we had a system that wasn’t so unfavorable to third parties.
The only choice is to replace the Democrats as the only other party. Let all the right-wing Democrats join the Republicans and we build a new party with everyone who is left.
Seems… Impossibly hard to do though.
Which speaks to a much greater problem regarding Sanders: he dropped the chance to build a movement and parallel platform and instead just became a sheepdog for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. He was a useful lightning rod for the popularity of social spending policies and getting debt off the backs of the vast majority of people, but only served as a lightning rod, not turning it into organizing or strength. Just like Obama disassembled his electoral team to use party insiders and lose the 2010 midterms, Sanders gave away his donor list for a song and left his ground game operation hanging until they fucked off and did their own things.
This is why any turn to the Democratic party is a death knell and why we need the exact opposite approach to building the left. The heart of left strength is organizations, of people workinh to educate one another, recruit, and engage in action according to an independent political program that does not wane or falter just because one old guy capitulates to Democrats. There needs to be hundreds of people ready to replace any “important” figurehead or candidate or politician, they must be jettisonable as needed and beholden to members’ will, not donors’.
I wonder how many good people are out there that just won’t get into politics because they’re “children of the Internet.”
I’m not saying I’m worth a shit, but my Internet footprint over my life would have me destroyed if I got into politics. I try to leave as little as I can truly public of myself, but back in the Myspace days and early Facebook I was very very ignorant.
And this is why I’m betting Sanders is going to found a new political party, and that this is actually the death of the DNC. And all of that is a good thing.
Sanders is 83 years old. He’s already had two opportunities to start a new party, and both times he choose to sheepdog his base to the Democratic party instead. Bernie isn’t going to be our savior.
They’re truly just humiliating themselves over and over again.
