- cross-posted to:
- meta@lemm.ee
- fediverse@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- meta@lemm.ee
- fediverse@lemmy.ml
Wow, things have changed since I last posted in /c/fediverse. Here are the top five most active instances based on monthly active users:
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goddammit
i joined dxcomplex because it was the smallest instance i was confident wouldn’t fold (and i liked the name);
then it folded so i joined .world because it was the smallest instance i was confident wouldn’t fold (and i liked the name);
then it got massive so i joined lemm.ee because it was the smallest instance i was confident wouldn’t fold (and i liked the name)i’m starting to wonder if i’m cursed
Wtf go away
but what if going away makes it worse? .world’s downtime has only increased since i made my l.ee acct
Well then, please post where you’re gonna go next so we can avoid your trail.
well actually, i did recently make a backup acct. on lemmy.dbzer0.com…
Well that’s not great for me then
Lol same, I joined FMHY first because I wanted in on a smaller instance. I now self host. Fool me once.
If you want an instance that almost definitely won’t go under, sdf.org has existed since
19861987 and has an instance at lemmy.sdf.orgactually i almost went for sdf instead of l.ee. the reason i didn’t was that it seems almost too good to be true? i see so many sites around that proclaim they’re hosted on sdf, the biggest text on their homepage says “create a free account” and yet there isn’t a donate button
i realise there’s one on their lemmy instance, and i might choose them if l.ee does fold, but i felt like i was taking advantage of something meant for others
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I get your point, but I think lemm.ee is still so much smaller than lemmy.world that it’s not much of a problem (at least not yet).
yeah you’re right, but i’m not (just) being funny when i said that - lemmy.world had only just started when i joined (10 days), still had the old (much nicer) icon and no banner, etc. it had 188 users / month, compared to .ml’s (at the time) 1.8k and lemm.ee’s (current, according to the above infographic) 3.7k…
Considering how many startrek memes I see on lemmy, I’m surprised this was the original meme.
I don’t care what anyone says I will always read it as start rek
We did it!
Wait that wasn’t the point.
People seem to only want their accounts on “general use” instances that are already pretty popular.
Which is… bizarre. There is no downside to having your account on a more niche instance (as long as it isn’t so niche that it gets turned off), and there are arguably disadvantages to having your account on a more popular instance.
People want to be where people are. My guess is we’ll end up with a bunch of super instances eventually.
People want to be where people are.
This logic only applies in centralized platforms. In the case of the Fediverse, people are everywhere and anywhere.
But here on lemmy itself we can see people gathering in just a few instances
Not everything happens for a logical reason. It’s human nature to get together in tribes, and the majority of people are okay with just following the pack.
I just hope that eventually more people figure out that there is no significant advantage in being in the largest instances, and that it can be actually harmful (too many resources, potential drama because too much power is given to the admins, etc)
One big thing that hasn’t changed from reddit is that lemmy instances are still based on an autocratic power structure. Whether or not your content gets seen or you get to see other content depends on the relationships between those leaders. That means choosing your leadership is of utmost importance, and I eventually settled on lemm.ee because it was the first instance I came across that both a) seemed like it had actual adults running the show, and b) was large enough for that leadership have already faced some challenges and have an established track record.
That’s the downside to a niche instance.
That’s the core of every problem that’s occurred to every massive human social structure we’ve ever created in history.
We create systems, the systems become powerful, a small group of autocratic people naturally gravitate towards wanting to lead, the system is taken over by this small group, the system is corrupted, the system fails, the system ends … then we start over again.
It keeps happening over and over again and the common denominator is human greed (either in the need to gain money and wealth … or in the need to just want to gain power over everyone)
The only systems that last are the ones where everyone has an equal stake and a shared power structure. But it’s a balancing game that constantly has to be monitored … because once we stop being vigilant, some greedy idiots will naturally start taking over.
A slight advantage to big servers is the increase in anonymity on the backend. Given the server admins can do what ever that want. An admin on small server would no doubt be looking into who and where their individual users are. Big severs are more likely to become more population based. Doesn’t really matter though I suppose.
Yeah no exact opposite for me: Big server means lots of user data making abuse of it more appealing and impactful. While an admin of a small instance having some fun digging through user internals would really do no harm (I don’t believe that’s a particularly typical hobby of small instance admins though xD ).
I wouldn’t say no doubt. Some certainly would do that, others could have more integrity.
A good 40% of users are spread out on servers with less then 5% of the overall user base, but that is still a good 60% in the top 5 instances, considering how laggy lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are, I am surprised anyone stays on them.
Haven’t noticed any issues, aside from the occasional down time on world.
Smaller instances take longer to load content from bigger instances.
I have a kbin account and a lemmy account, but I find myself more active on lemmy because it’s faster to load new content.
hate to say it, but looks better too
It’s not easy to see the list of all communities in an instance you don’t have an account. If I login and federate as user@example.com, I can see all the local communities inside example.com, but not others like lemmy.world. I don’t mean individual posts or an individual community, I mean list of all instance communities. I think this is one of high priority issues to be patched.
It’s because instances are defederating from each other.
it’s not that bizarre; people want easy and people don’t seem to really understand how it works so they’d rather go where the most people are or the one that is “trending”.
I’ve found that sometimes old posts don’t propagate to newer servers. So if you want to participate in a old thread, you need another account.
The disadvantage of being on a small instance is that you could have an admin who is a fucking moron and ends up breaking stuff because they don’t know what they are doing.
Sauce: am admin. am fucking moron.
Aw man are we gonna have to move?
If they ever defederate from piracy communities, yeah, but I don’t think so, admin has a very anti defederate policy, so I see this scenario very hard to occur.
Oh, I don’t really care about piracy communities. I meant on the basis of it getting big.
This graph is actually wrong, lemmy.ml doesn’t have open sign ups, it just appears to because the Lemmy software doesn’t accurately distinguish between open and closed registrations, it only distinguishes between open registrations and application-based registrations. If registrations are closed it’ll look just like they are open, but we’ll just give an error message when you try to sign up which is incredibly deceiving.
I filed an issue to fix this discrepancy on their GitHub.
Another issue with this graph is that it shows lemmy.world as American but it’s actually hosted in Finland.
Woah, we grew fast!
lemm.ee has been consistently great for me, wonderful admin too.
Once lemm.ee can host larger images, I believe this will become the best instance on lemmy
one of the reasons it’s fast is because they limit image sizes which lower server load.
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I chose ee over ml after what Mali started doing and that site could drop offline at any time.
The other .ml instances had a .ml free domain. Lemmy.ml paid for the domain so it’s in no danger of losing it.
Edit: further proof that it is a paid domain:
That’s great!
Noooooooooooo. Don’t get too big or that’ll just paint a target on our server for the DDOS attacks!
stop growing I don’t want to move instances again 🫠
I see only two ways for this to stop happening:
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Instance admins make a collective pact to close registrations if their instance reaches x% of the total active base, and only open again when this number goes down to x/2%. I think x=10 would be a good start.
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Instead of donations, instances start charging for access after a certain number. This is what my instance is doing: the first 250 active users are free, after that payment is required.
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Who owns lemm.ee and why do people choose it over other instances?
Can’t speak for others, but my decision to stick with lemm.ee stemmed from seeing how active the owner is, the minimal defederation and the bot & moderation policies meaning there are minimal bots, and I’ve yet to currently see much spam issues, which is nice.
Also helps that the owner Sunaurus is an active contributor to the Lemmy project as a whole, so we get patches and fixes relatively quickly.
why do people choose it over other instances?
Non-techy people want a big instance, but .world goes offline too often and .ml doesn’t allow new sign ups.
When I tested different instances lemm.ee was quite small compared to the big ones. The main pros are technically fast and stable. It also federates comprehensively.
Edit: also remembered that it hasn’t had any insane admin/rule situations that I’ve noticed
.ml doesn’t allow new sign ups.
It does, however one must know what is six minus two to get the approval.
That’s new, they were closed for a while
They got aome of the most traffic during the migration, so it pulled itself off the instance list page i think for regiatration so that people would join other instances leveling the load
They were during the thick of the Reddit migration
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I guess I missed that. Then yeah, that affected the statistics.
Do I qualify now? : )
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lemm.ee itself also doesn’t allow porn but that’s a “don’t post it with your lemm.ee account” type of rule. I think it also gets filtered out of the all feed, but you can definitely subscribe to stuff over on lemmynsfw.com. Long story short porn is a bugger to mod and the legal situation when hosting (and uploading an image with a lemm.ee account would imply that) is never trivial, either.
Somewhat relatedly, image upload limits are also rather strict, 100kb, to avoid that becoming a resource hog.
That’s reasonable! Although AFAIK lemmynsfw is one of the most defederated instances ever, so there’s a lot of options.
It actually censors curse words too. I’ve actually come to like it though
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What? I have never seen any censored words on lemm.ee
Oh, it only censors them when displayed to its own users
Yeah
You sure about that? I just made this account a few days ago.
They closed sign ups during the early days of the migration up until recently. I just missed the moment they’re open again since I’m not interested in large instances.
Because it is more open and lenient in not defedereting and as a user i can choose which subs and instances to block.
Its admin @sunaurus@lemm.ee wrote all about it here: https://lemm.ee/post/26
Thanks. Looking at the admin’s profile, he seems to be very reasonable. I especially like this comment he made:
“Not sure if I actually have to justify removing soviet and/or nazi symbolism, but I have lived my whole life in a country on the border of Russia. My country been ravaged by both Nazis and Soviets in very recent history. I want to be clear that while I think criticising capitalism is totally normal and necessary, I am also extremely aware of constant Kremlin propaganda. Propaganda which is spread both in their media, but also crucially in online channels. Propaganda which includes things like downplaying horrifying actions of the soviet union, portraying their “enemies” (the west) in the worst possible light, and mixing in soviet symbolism wherever possible. I have no intention of allowing anything which resembles this propaganda to be spread through lemm.ee. If banning offending users does not work, then further steps will definitely be taken.”
Yep … seems refreshingly and perfectly reasonable to me.
My country been ravaged by both Nazis and Soviets in very recent history.
Poland?
History fits the majority of Eastern European countries but yes as said they are Estonian. Actually, now that I think about it can’t really think of any Eastern European countries that it doesn’t fit at all.
Eastern Europe had finally just stabilized a little bit it looked like. They’ve consistently gotten the short end of the stick from the superpowers in the region using their territory for war.
Hopefully after Ukraine is over (with Ukraine keeping all their land) there will be some stability in the region again
Living next to Russia has never been easy. Living between Russia and Western powers has been worse. I’m Finnish and while we have not really seen ourselves as Eastern Europeans for a long time, we are. Just got lucky past century.
Estonia I believe
It says a significant chunk of their funding comes from users. Where does the other funding come from?
The admin made a post reporting on the finances.
Good to see donations are keeping the place afloat!
What is github sponsorship? Are they advertising on that note instance?
GitHub sponsorships are a way of donating to programmers. In addition to hosting lemm.ee, sunaurus has made significant contributions to Lemmy’s codebase. (In my opinion, he is by far the most skilled programmer working on Lemmy.)
They should probably add a % measure to that to show active users as a % of total users to give a more balanced look at active instances
Agreed
What is felt by users is the absolute number rather than the proportion.
Why not both?
Because when you open and later refresh Lemmy, the quantity of new posts you will see, which gives an idea of Lemmy’s activity, is proportional to the absolute number of active users, not the proportion of active users per instance.
By why not both, I meant why not display both the number of users and the proportion of the total userbase. This does not seem to be an answer to that question.
I thought you asked why wouldn’t both be felt by users. Otherwise, sure both can be displayed, the proportion gives an idea of the dynamic of a community.
Ah, I gotcha.
Oh goody. There’s a RickRussell_CA@lemm.ee and it’s not me. And it’s using one of my older profile pictures.
EDIT: 2023/8/29 update – I posted to the lemm.ee support community and the admins decided to disable the account. Well done!
That’s why we disabled the buy-sell-trade community on our niche instance. Nobody got scammed during the short time it was open, but if a username can be duplicated it makes scamming that much easier.
Uhhhhh. Yeah this was always something I was worried about with multiple instances. Having multiple usernames run my different people. The @ at the end will be crucial for people keep them separate
That sucks. Looks like they actually went out of their way to create that account a few days after yours.
You could always message an admin and ask them to transfer the account to you.
The only bad part about the fediverse, imho, it’s hard to be the only one with your username. What makes it bad is a malicious user, that you may have pissed off somehow, start using your username in a smear campaign to hurt your reputation.
The key is to not attempt to foster a reputation in anonymous social media
True. I try to stay anonymous. But that doesn’t work on all social medias. Take Facebook for example, they show all that info in your profile allowing haters to hate
Facebook is not anonymous social media. It’s spyware to the max
This is true, yet no one wants to listen to reality
You are the only user with the username
Efwis@lemmy.zip. Nobody else can have that username.But, Efwls@lemmy.zip?
I don’t understand the question.
Capital I and lowercase l look alike.
It’s a play on that joke.
This is true, just like I have an ml account too. But I wouldn’t put past someone to create another account on another instance with efwis and start some shit because I hurt their feelings. So far that hasn’t been an issue but there is a first time. Especially since the username doesn’t show what instance your’re on on the feeds
lemm.ee best instance 100%
Isn’t that the one that censors the word “bitch”?
I’m gonna go with no, since I’m reading it perfectly currently.
Hmmm, maybe that’s .ml then.
Are you thinking of beehaw.org?
Nawh, I’m the instance had a “lem” prefix of some sort.
100%
I think the beauty of Fediverse is that the majority of people can find pretty amazing instances for themselves. I could say the same of mine.
100%
Che, that means drama incoming.
Che, that means drama incoming.
Beehaw hasn’t been in the news lately…
Where’s lemm.ee located physically?
This was asked in the lemm.ee discord and the answer given is below.
Ping times are low everywhere because the files we serve are hosted on globally distributed servers. So if you’re in North America, you will download the frontend code (and images etc) from a North American server. But the backend is actually hosted in Germany
“were using a rock bottom VPS out of germany with cloudlfare”
Do you know if personal data (like emails, IP addresses) is also distributed across the world? I mean, this is important from the privacy perspective. Different countries have different rules.
It’s just using cloudflare. So likely your private data is just temporarily stored on the CloudFlare node in your region and in Germany.
Frankly I have absolutely no idea, I would encourage asking if you’re concerned though.
Hmm hosted in Germany that’s not reassuring.
Try asking @sunaurus@lemm.ee who created it.
I contributed! After lemmy world banning the piracy community
That piracy community is a godsend. Thanks me harties from the bottom of me hearty.
Yup same
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