Fuck Meta. Just tell people to go to TRUSTED news sites. Either their local radio or television stations, or the CBC.
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Not even just fees, they want Meta/Google and the news sites to come to a payment agreement after the fact with the government as the arbitrator. Only an idiot would make that deal, especially since it woild open the floodgates for every country on Earth to demand the same.
it would open the floodgates for every country on Earth to demand the same
This floodgate was opened by Australia, Canada is just early in succession but the same strategy is already on every powerful government’s radar since 2021.
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Just host their own Mastodon instance.
It’s not that they don’t have services available to notify people, it’s just that people don’t use those services. Even if they do use those services, they don’t check them hourly like some may check Facebook.
Even if they hosted a mastodon instance, less people would probably see that than the services they already maintain. It’s just not mainstream enough yet.
Honestly I would be happy if most of their comms where available under several Mastodon accounts I could subscribe to. No account needed even!
Let’s call this for what it is, the Canadian government tried to force a shitty deal on corporations and failed. This was always a likely possibility and they had no backup plan other than to make a big deal of it publicly. If Canadians are in the dark it’s on them.
Did it fail? Defeat only comes when they rollback regulation without extracting some cash from Meta & Google. Until then, the arm wrestling is on.
There’s no arm wrestle going on, tech refused to play and left the Canadian government standing there with their pants down and no backup plan. I don’t know how you could call that anything other than a failure.
I don’t know how you could call that anything other than a failure.
I just told you, defeat comes if/when they rollback legislation without getting anything in return. Meta is holding the audience hostage, while Canadian politicians and local media constantly attack Facebook aiming for reputational harm. Same happened in Australia and eventually Meta folded and local media won.
I’m not betting money that things will go the same way here because the political landscape and the legislation are different. Still, it’s pretty clear that the current situation of public arm-wrestling was very expected by anyone who has been paying attention to similar legislation elsewhere. It is noteworthy that the ban was already over in a few days in Australia, so the fight already looks different this time.
Also, if they do rollback the law under the condition that Meta has to negotiate deals with media companies directly, that’s still a win. The goal here is to extract money from them, and it’s still quite feasible that this will happen in the next few weeks, so it’s not a failure yet.
The same thing didn’t happen in Australia, they came to an agreement. The Canadian government dropped legislation that gave news sites free reign to request whatever they want with the government as the arbitrator. Nobody would take that deal. This was a political stunt, plain and simple.
This isn’t an arm wrestle, because nobody is trying to win, but the Canadian government is sure as hell trying to make the Canadian people the losers here.
We aren’t being factual because this is just arguing about a framing. In my framing, it’s too soon to call it failure. In your framing, it already failed. I think you do have a point there, our negotiations broke down earlier. I just think it’s still salvageable.
I do think it’s pretty strange to think that the government is literally not trying to win and the goal is to fuck with people. Sounds like conspiracy theory thinking. People of power don’t generally go about fucking things up without personal gains in sight.
I never said the goal is to fuck with people, I said it’s a political stunt. Go argue with your strawman elsewhere.
but the Canadian government is sure as hell trying to make the Canadian people the losers here
I really can’t interpret this in any other way, but I guess it goes to show how framing is hard to argue about
Lawmakers who scold for profit corps for focusing on making profits without breaking any law should instead propose a new law or legal framework so we can evaluate weather it would achieve a desirable outcome in changing the behaviour of these entities.
Jeez I’m not one to bash Trudeau but if he really thinks this outcome was inconceivable maybe the guy isn’t so bright after all.
It’s obviously hyperbole
Politicians passing shitty laws ate my face!
-Trudeau probably
I’m not one to bash Trudeau
So that was a lie, or I’m just very lucky to see it twice in an hour
Damn well go buy a lottery ticket then
That’s how you respond after getting called out for lying?
I’m lying because some guy on the internet says so? Get fucked loser, lmao.
I hate the flags, the lifted pickups, the freedom stickers and anti-vax bullshit, but I finally have to agree, fuck Trudeau. Depending on Facebook to SAVE THE LIVES OF YOUR CITIZENS is absolutely ignorant.
Can somebody please tell me if I understand this correctly? So the liberal government had a bill passed that disallows social media companies from sharing news articles, then Trudeau blasts the social media company for not sharing news articles.
They passed a law that said big companies have to PAY to post links to articles.
On the surface it was to go after places like Google News that would summarize an article, link to it for attribution, but people would rarely visit the original article fueling the advertisements that funded the media.
However to nobody’s surprise, the government cocked up the legislation for the problem. They made a law that required the to pay for links, so the big companies just went… Ok, no links, no bill.
Obviously they didn’t think this through, they wanted money to flow from Google/FB to Canadian media for a real problem, but in the effort to seek a way to tap the money for taxes, over legislated without understanding the problem and ended up with no links, no taxes.
This is pretty much what went wrong. It’s a legit problem when google presents a search result by parsing through an article, providing their own summary, and prevents a click. You can even see this on non news searches. You might search for something like what’s the largest river in eastern Europe, and it’ll return a result from a webpage half way down the webpage and show it as an excerpt (totally made up example). Now I don’t need to visit the website, preventing ad revenue.
When you simply post a link on something like Meta, the news organizations themselves are providing the summary you see when you post it. If they’re so damned worried about people not clicking links because their provided summary prevents you from reading the article, that isn’t Google or Meta’s fault. Change the snippet, or don’t provide one.
It’s insane that the media groups are now trying to say it’s anti competitive for meta to not allow people to post news articles now and are trying to force them to allow it. You must allow people to post links, and you must pay us if they do. It’s crazy talk.
I’m big on the hate Meta bandwagon and I despise using their service and rarely touch it, but this is all our governments fault. This didn’t have to turn out like this.
Apparently Meta would have to pay for any news shared. If it’s so important to the government I’m not sure why they don’t just foot the bill or make an exception. Why can’t they offer the wildfire news and tell Meta ok no need to pay for news from our government website?
Edit: never mind I see in the article that users can already access info from a gov site.
So the liberal government
Which other government would it be? It’s okay to just say The Government when they’re the elected ones … unless this is less a question and more Question Period?
“The librul gubment”
My dream is a follow up article titles “Trudeau denounces his own stupid policy.”
Fuck off. You literally have a national broadcaster and our tax money at your disposal. Not defending Facebook but this is pure misdirection and blame shifting by a government that doesn’t give a shit but gets their feelings hurt when its citizens call them out for it. You’re the one who fucked us over and the fact that so many Canadians relied on Facebook of all places to learn whether they might burn to death tomorrow is a total disgrace on your part.
Honestly, fuck both the government for being complacent for too long and letting Facebook get into this position at the expense of the media, and Facebook for being a privacy hellhole siphoning everything it can.
And double fuck the gaslighting bullshit when the REASON Facebook and others dropped actual news is because the government told them they’d have to pay for linking news articles.
It 100% reeks of politics.
