• @adthrawn@lemm.ee
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    1510 months ago

    I want a small car, but i was looking around recently and it seems like sub-compact just isnt really a class that most manufactures produce/sell here anymore

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    510 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Heavier vehicles also wear out roads faster, though the difference between a small sedan and a large electric SUV amounts to very little when compared to the effect of a garbage truck rolling by each morning.

    Just this week, Automotive News reported that the Mitsubishi Mirage is on the way out, joining the choir invisible alongside cars like the Chevrolet Sonic, Honda Fit, and Toyota Yaris, all of which were once sold in the US.

    The Bolt’s biggest problem, from a bean counter’s point of view at least, was a battery that cost a lot more per kWh than one made with General Motors’ new Ultium cells.

    News of the Bolt’s cancellation was met with much dismay, and GM recently decided to bring the nameplate back at some unspecified time on a new Ultium-based platform.

    But GM CEO Mary Barra has also warned that even with the lower cost of Ultium cells, the company won’t make any profit on sub-$40,000 EVs until late in the decade.

    In addition to the ever-escalating safety arms race that entices American car buyers, a misplaced obsession with having as much range as possible also factors in here.


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  • @yacht_boy@lemmy.world
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    510 months ago

    What’s missing from this discussion is that car interiors count, too, and shrinking car interior space is driven by safety systems.

    We drove a Toyota echo for years. That car had a surprising amount of interior space. But it was at the end of its life about the time we had our first kid, so we leased a new Honda CRV.

    The old CRV was a compact but capable family hauler. The new one is massive compared to the original version, but the interior space is still pretty minimal. We have 2 kids in car seats and strollers, and a dog.

    The CRV, as big as it is, couldn’t fit 3 car seats when we wanted to carpool with another family to day camp. It couldn’t hold all 4 of our family plus luggage and stroller and still have room for our medium sized dog on a trip to my in laws. It can barely hold a week’s worth of groceries and a stroller at the same time. And this is largely because of safety features. Huge pillars, crumple zones, oversized carseats, airbags, etc. A secondary consideration is body shape driven by wind tunnel testing that massively improves efficiency but cuts down on interior space. I’m all for safer, more efficient cars but they are not without tradeoffs.

    So now our lease is up. We’re shopping for a car I consider ridiculously big, with three rows of seating. But it will have room for us to car pool with friends kids. It will allow us to take our dog on vacation with us. And that’s what’s driving our decision to get a larger car, not some “love affair “ with big cars or a misguided government policy. When the kids are grown I look forward to getting a small cat again. Until then, we’re buying based on interior space.

    • @narp@feddit.de
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      510 months ago

      The CR-V has a small interior because it’s a SUV/Crossover. Those cars are exactly what’s wrong with cars at the moment: higher, heavier, worse visibility, small inner space.

      What you want as a family is not a bigger SUV but a Kombi or a Minivan.

      • @yacht_boy@lemmy.world
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        210 months ago

        Sadly minivans are almost impossible to find. There are only 3-4 models remaining in production and they can have lead times as long as a year and dealers can add almost any markup they want. I’m hoping to eventually get a VW ID Buzz or Canoo electric van, but those are both seemingly infinitely delayed. And I can lease a 3 row suv for about $400/month.

        We can’t have a sedan because you can’t put a dog in the back, and no one makes station wagons anymore. So our choice is simply which length of SUV we get.

  • @TGTX@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    410 months ago

    Not one mention of the Fiat 500e coming to the US next year (and hopefully the 600e after that!) I’m glad Stellantis is bringing it over, but I don’t know why they don’t just captive import some of their other European electric vehicles from Peugeot, Opel, or Citroen for the US market and rebrand them as Chryslers and Dodges.

    I mean…it’s crazy that Peugeot already has a full electric lineup from small cars to SUVs and not one of them has made it over to the US!

  • @Hundun@beehaw.org
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    310 months ago

    Build trains. Railroads, tunnels, bridges, switching stations - the good stuff, you know. Stuff that works.

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      410 months ago

      Yes, and nationalize the US rail network so passenger trains can actually work well. I think the experiment in publicly-owned roads has shown some promise on that front.

  • @Gur814@beehaw.org
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    110 months ago

    I had a small car by American standards (Chevy Volt) and it felt unsafe to drive sometimes. Everyone had massive trucks and SUVS and could barely see me. I had to drive super defensively. I wouldn’t want to get into a crash in one when the other vehicles are like 3x the size and weight.

    I like smaller cars and wish we could see the average size start to drop here, but I think we’re past the point of no return. I recently bought a larger vehicle so I can actually fit my kids in the back and people seem to actually see me.

  • @Screwthehole@lemmy.world
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    110 months ago

    I’m 6’7. The only people who make vehicles that fit me comfortably has been gm. I drove a small GMC Pontiac for 12 years, then a small GMC compact SUV for 11 years. Now, granted its for work and I need it, but I now drive a large ass GMC Sierra around. Only foreign manufacturers even make cars anymore, and they make the interiors small. My Pontiac was small, and it had tons of interior space. So it is possible.

  • @nodsocket@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Main problem with small cars is safety. Even with all these new safety features, a small car is going to lose in a collision with a big car. With the way Americans drive, you’re going to need all the safety you can get.

    • @Player2@sopuli.xyz
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      1010 months ago

      Unfortunately that will just lead to a stupid arms race. What really needs to happen is the closing of the light truck loophole and instead imposing additional taxes based on weight (since heavier vehicles do more damage to public infrastructure anyway) until the ever increasing vehicle weight trend is reversed or at minimum stopped.

      • @Changetheview@lemmy.world
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        210 months ago

        Yep. There’s a fuck-ton of power in implementing a proper road tax structure. It should also factor in the increased likelihood to cause harm to other people and damage to other vehicles. Hell, traffic infractions should also be more serious in a larger vehicle. All easy to implement and completely reasonable.

        It’s sickening that over 42,000 people (more than 110 people PER DAY) were killed by vehicles in the US in 2022. This is a public health crisis that’s rarely discussed.

        I’m not saying that’s all caused by big vehicles, but there’s undeniably more risk when larger vehicles are roaming the roads. And the ever-increasing blind spots of these big vehicles mixed with the irresponsible driving behavior is a recipe for disaster.

        https://www.ghsa.org/resources/news-releases/NHTSA-2022-Traffic-Deaths23