I reported them for harassment with the following statement:
The purpose of this group is to review bomb any game that has gay representation. Their discussion threads talk about using other platforms to discriminate against LGBTQ+ communities and individuals to circumvent Steam’s TOS policies. This type of behavior promotes discrimination, review brigading, and toxicity. It is surprising Steam is tolerating such open homophobia on this platform.
Until the curator gets shut down, their list is a great reference of games to buy
Not a bad idea, now I kinda want them. Update: I did find some cool games, and had a laugh at what some people get upset about.
“there’s a guy knitting in the trailer”
They did not recommend it cuz of that
Seriously? Lmao I’m a guy and I love to crochet
It’s uNnaTurAL /s
Dear god, men actually have fun with textiles? Demonic.
Ironically the LGBT community could probably use this list really well to find games they want to play involving lgbt things
Oh no, bro! Hypnospace Outlaw portrays a version of the Internet in 1999 that is more diverse and inclusive than it actually was?? Oh no!
I remember the Internet of 1999. It was full of awesome weirdos. Everyone thought it was great that awesome weirdos had a place to say what they want to say.
If anything, in some senses, the Internet of 1999 was far more diverse and inclusive than the Internet of today.
They think old internet was iDubbz types screaming the n-word, racist and homophobic jokes in flash games, and 4chan. One of these chuds were even angry at me when I told them forums had usernames and 4chan was kind of looked down by others for its algorithm rewarding rage baits and similar stuff.
I’d be angry if you told me 4chan had an “algorithm” too… It had a raw ass bump order and that’s it (does that reward rage bait? Kinda yeah but so does any activity metric). Algorithms design to guess what posts you want to see are the worst part of modern social media which refuses to just show you all of a user or group’s posts in order.
It was way more primitive, but post that got more engagement often were on top. This lead to users trying to bait each other for more comments, thus some fame, all without any name.
The funny thing about that is that what makes Hypnospace Outlaw so good is that the era of the internet it portrays was exactly that diverse and inclusive! Yes, there were both women and PoC creating stuff on it long before there were chuds going around calling everything woke. And, you still spend a good portion of that game moderating flame wars between two teenage boys over their made-up girlfriends. So I don’t know where he’s getting an idea that the game is anything but a realistic depiction of that era. Maybe if his awareness of Internet culture only began in the 2010s.
LGBT is a tag on steam so it’s really redundant, bigots can just filter the tag on their account page.
They don’t want to filter it for themselves, they want to filter it for everybody or better yet, stop it being produced in the first place. They make their tantrums as public as they can for a reason.
I get not being interested in games that have strong lgbtq+ themes or story. I’m not, but I’m also glad they exist and people can find games that represent them. I’m also not opposed to playing as an lgbtq+ character in the same way I don’t mind playing as a female character.
Being so close minded you can’t stand for sandbox games to allow you to make a pride flag, or an RPG allow you to make a non binary character is just hateful.
what, you think a company that makes more than ten billion dollars a year should be able to afford basic moderation?
I don’t understand the thought process of following something like this. You’re just going to be seeing content that annoys you and getting mad…
Curators you follow have their reviews pop up in the store page when you’re looking to buy/download something, so if you want to avoid something, like easy anti-cheat, you follow https://store.steampowered.com/curator/32754914-No-To-Easy-Anti-Cheat/ and you’ll get this notice whenever you click on a game that uses it: https://imgur.com/Fvugcm1
That is the point, yeah. It’s just ragebait, but for the chronically online chuds who fill their days with 2016 era youtube videos that have red arrows on the thumbnail, yellow circles, black outlined white impact font, and then they also have the one picture of that chick yelling when trump got inaugurated.
People get addicted to this kind of stuff because it specifically triggers negative emotions, which they associate to certain phrases, concepts, things, and people, and then they get pushed further and further inward to rationalize it more and more.
You start from a false premise. The reason for curators on Steam is that recommendations pro/against a game appear on the game’s store page.
It allows you to avoid stuff that someone already played and knows you won’t like.
time to report this to valve
548 followers, they’re insignificant. Yeah, they suck, but there’s literally a button to make them go away and you never see them again.
Throwing a blanket over bigots doesn’t solve the problem because they can still recruit other dumbasses to their cause.
If you have a real solution, I’m open to suggestions.
Organize and make a social media disaster for Valve. That usually gets companies like this off their asses.
if/when it happens, I’ll be there for it (I’ll bring friends too). Between now and then, I’m not holding my breath.
Their cause being… recommending against buying some games?
And what are those recommendations exclusively based on? Just because two thoughts in a row give you a nosebleed doesn’t mean everyone falls for such lazy apologism.
the cause is to harass lgbt people until they stop existing. This tiny group is doing so by attacking game developers in possibly the most ineffective way possible. If the group follower count was a couple orders of magnitude larger, then I’d be concerned.
“Hm, there’s a couple guys spray painting slurs on my neighbor’s house … better close the blinds so I don’t have to look at it.”
Fallacy of false equivalence. Your example is of actual criminal activity (vandalism) resulting in tangible damages (the vandalized home now needs to be repaired, also surrounding properties lose value due to criminal activity).
Please feel free to try to make your point again, this time without using a logical fallacy or bad faith argument.
Both are about hateful idiots causing harm to someone else and choosing to ignore it.
Fallacy of …
It’s a simile, you dork.
Hold on, Animal Jam is on Steam now? I remember when that was a Flash game.
It probably still is, just in a container or something. It’s only the flash player for the web that was deprecated, standalone flash is still supported.
just looked it up – the version on steam is in fact Animal Jam: Play Wild – the 3D mobile version made in Unity for mobile devices – ported to PC
Fair, I just usually assume companies will do the laziest thing possible, which in this case would be to bundle the original flash game with a standalone flash player and call it a day
WHY IS DEI BAD
Diversity Equity Inclusion. Some businesses have some people to try to make sure their hiring practices aren’t discriminatory, and that’s referred to as DEI.
But racists are against all of those things so to them DEI is a bad thing. And as these things go, DEI has become a codeword they use to express anger at anyone non-white having a job or represented in any kind of media. Like most dog whistles they pretend that they’re cleverly avoiding being overtly racist but it doesn’t fool anyone.
It’s state sponsored racism/sexism.
We should strive to give everyone the same shot, through universal free education, healthcare, etc.
Equality begins at birth, not when you’re just out of high school.
Instead we do a shit job at being a functional society and decide after the fact that none of it matters and you gotta get them quotas going.
As long as DEI, Affirmative Action, Positive Racism w/e you want to call it exists, you will always have people questioning the reason behind a minority person/woman’s employment, and their performance will always be scrutinized harder. Are they actually talented, or are they here to fill a quota? That is a valid question no matter what anyone will say.
This is right on the money.
While I see where you are coming from is it not possible that such reviews might ironically benefit the LGBTQ+ as it helps to identify content that might resonate with the individual? Admittedly “Woke Watch” has fascist connotations.
We can just have curators bring focus on those games in a positive manner then. We really don’t need to give fuck wads like these any ground to stand on, they’ll just use it as a staging ground to push from. Besides if even hypothetically we entertain the idea of us getting something positive out of this it’s not worth it. We’re not painting a mountain range, there’s no happy accidents with bigotry involved.
I get sometimes it can get excessive, but c’mon! This is like the equivalent of the 5 yr old with their mother pointing out random shit in public.
They could have gotten away with it if they had have just called it “Gaydar”… But “Woke” content detector… That’s just some rightwing neofascist shit.
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It was literally getting in arms about user generated content that contained pride flags, seems pretty homophobic to me.
Define homophobic. If your definition is hating LGBT people, then its not homophobic. They are free to dislike content that contains political topics they generally dont agree with. Thats not homophobia. You gotta be a bit more accepting of contrarian views.
“Certain groups of people shouldn’t be allowed to exist or show themselves in public” is not a view I am EVER require to respect.
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You’re the only one talking about groups being shut down and banned, all I’m saying is the exact opposite, that we shouldn’t censor the very existence of a group of people nor should I respect anyone who called for such a thing.
Yeah it is. Telling other people not to play a game just because it allows the creation of a characrer who is not male or female is pretty homophobic
Clearly not. Its possible to not hate and accept something while chosing to not support it at the same time in your communities.
If a pride event is “overtly pro lgbtq” we have to also count Fourth of July or even Thanksgiving events as “overtly pro USA”, Lunar New Year as “overtly pro Asia”, and Christmas and Easter as “overtly pro Christianity”.
Do you see the problem?
Not op but I don’t particularly see the problem all of those things are true (well I know basically nothing about lunar new years and historical context for it but ye)
Yeah, that’s my point. None of these things are bad, but if we count one of them as such, we have to accept that other events are also problematic. I would for example really like to see Ramadan events in games, but can you imagine the uproar if that were to become a thing?
Ah the problem you were referencing was the cherry picking, thank you for explaining
They’re literally anti LGBT though. They are suggesting people not play games because it has LGBT themes, how does this have anything to do with “both sides”? Both sides of what?? I’m gay but most of the games I play have no gay representation, so why would it matter what “side” you’re on unless you’re homophobic and can’t stand seeing someone who’s LGBT?
Left and right. Being right wing and prefering not to play/support games that you fundamentally don’t agree with is fair. Its not “homophobic” for them to notice things they personally don’t align with and not recommend it to other people themselves. Even i can see that, and im ftm.
Nah, still homophobic. Not supporting something you otherwise would, specifically because it has gay people in it is homophobic. It might be part of your political belief, but it’s still homophobic to single out the LGBT themes as a reason to dislike a game. I can see that cuz I’m mtf and bi. And I believe gender and sexuality should even be political in the first place but whatever.
I respectfully disagree.
I understand, I appreciate you taking the time to respectfully explain your point of view
Just because they let both sides speak…
Are you the sort of person who feels racists “deserve” to be heard too?
Comparing not recommending games based on politics they dont agree with, to racisists. Congratulations.
Comparing not recommending games based on politics they dont agree with, to racisists. Congratulations.
I take it you dug no further than… what, the post here? They make their stance VERY clear.