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      I feel like their goal is more close to providing a privacy-minded alternative to Google’s G-suite to “regular” users, so for me it totally makes sense. But yeah, I’m also really waiting for the Linux drive app.

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        That might be it. Whatever the reason, it seems like a missed opportunity. Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.

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          Especially when they go out of their way to provide direct APKs to Android users who do not use Play Store.

          They already had to make the APK for the Play Store, providing it directly doesn’t require extra dev work.

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          They might have done their stats and figured out that only 0.0000001% of their users would benefit from it and there weren’t much profit there to make.

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            Use that linux mail web app… maybe they will change their minds.

            Linux crowd is hard to appease tho

            Hopefully one day when we finally hit the year of Linux Desktop this changes.

            Currently, gamers are on boarding. I think once critical mass joins with their buying power, things should change.

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            One of the reasons for me not to switch, is because there is no Linux client.

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              If they had a contacts app for Android and a proton drive Linux client I would be 1,000% on board. I would switch basically everything over and be more than happy to pay for it. Useless to me otherwise

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        I don’t think they don’t care, they have been adding Linux versions for all of their apps (except drive of course). The CEO themselves said in an interview that a Linux client for drive is inevitable and they will make one, but one of the hardest clients to develop.

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          The guy who made the Backblaze software said it was already done and was easy for their standard client to work with Linux but never got rolled out because Linux users are power users. I wonder if that is the real reason when it comes to Proton. It’s not unlimited but maybe there is some power user use that they anticipate and don’t want to deal with.

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      I’m gonna try to see if you can use a windows vm with proton drive and a shared folder with the host system. Kinda a pain, but if it works it works. What I’d really love is an api for this kind of asshattery

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      It doesn’t make financial sense to spend money on supporting an entire new platform that’s used by <3% of the population.

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    For every proton post, can we please get a bot that auto posts these, to save everyone the effort:

    • proton isn’t private / yes it is / they never claimed to be
    • wasnt there a case when they shared that activist account / you have the facts wrong, here’s what actually happened
    • [insert proton app name] for Linux when? / Linux is only x% of user base
    • proton needs to finish [insert proton app name] before starting something new / they are different teams so not relevant
    • proton needs to make X / no they don’t
    • people shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket / don’t use the service then

    Thanks!

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    FYI this does not include spreadsheets, so if you’re hoping to replace an office suite, it’s not there yet.

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        Have you tried a low-code database, such as nocodb? I tried satisfy my need for structures data that way and it works for simple usecases. There are formulas too, but they (like spreadsheets) require some knowledge to set up.

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      Maybe Cryptpad would be a good option if you need spreadsheets more than documents.

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      However, subscribing is aiding in their funding, and that could help get them there quicker.

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      You sort of have one but not really. You can launch it from the Android Proton Drive app. Granted it then launches it into a web browser, but GrapheneOS/Vanadium seems to handle it well. Would also prefer an app, or allow me to use Standard Notes as the client and sync with my Proton account.

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          Ah you are right - I had created the Proton Doc on the web and launched it after from Android after. I did not actually create the file in Android. Just checked and the option is not there for me either. Maybe next update? Still would prefer the ability to use Standard Notes as the client, similar to how I can with SimpleLogin today.

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            I’m still figuring out proton. I’m trying to switch most of my account over to proton. You use the simple login app? Doesn’t proton pass have that ability as well?

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              Yes - you can use your Proton account to log directly into Simplelogin via web, browser extension, or Android app. I suspect the Proton Pass feature is related to their partnership with Simplelogin but not sure? I actually just noticed the email generation Pass feature this week. Having that integrated into the password manager is really handy. May be time to start using it but migrating password managers is a pain.

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    Has anyone used it?

    How did you get to it?

    Clicked the link:

    At that time, if you go to drive.proton.me(new window) and click on New in the top left, you will see the ability to create a New document

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    What would be the benefits of this over Nextcloud, apart from not having to set it up?

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      I don’t think it’s Nextcloud competition so much as Google Drive competition, which is certainly closed-source.

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      Lack of true open cooperation? Oh wait, you said benefit… Ease of use? Maybe? And slightly less buggy?

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      Over nextcloud probably the e2ee. I suppose soon they will also integrate this better with email (like you can attach directly and save directly from email), so the seamless integrations with the rest of the products will probably amount to other benefits over time.

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    “After years of pushing their proprietary and closed solutions to privacy minded people Proton decided that it was in their best interest to further bury said users into their service as a form of vendor lock-in. To achieve this they made yet anoter non-standard groupware feature - a document editor.

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      Is there an open standard for encrypted asynchronous colabreative document creation and editing?

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        As open components, we have the OpenDocument standard + signal protocol for E2EE + CRDTs for conflict resolution. No idea whether they’re compatible though.

        As a product, Collabora Online is open and collaborative.

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          Collabra seems close. They do use ODF. And you can host you’re own server.
          But they don’t seem to use E2EE. And the collaborative aspect doesn’t apear to be an open standard you can use with different software packages.

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            E2EE would be nice, but what’s your idea of open standard for collaboration as opposed to simply open source?

            If we had multiple software solutions implementing the same ways of collaborating what would be gained / in what ways would they differentiate and still remain compatible?

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              Our comments right here on the Fediverse, are a good example.
              Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, and numerous others, all use the same open communication standard; Offering very different services and experiences.

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      Exactly. At this point idk why anyone bothers migrating to things that are not backed by open standards. The price of vendor lock-in always comes.

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        Until I can easily export the data, where is the vendor lock?

        Vendor lock means that migrating away has significant cost or technical challenges.

        Take this case: documents saved are first of all easily downloadable from drive (in bulk), and also exportable in markdown.

        They change pricing/add features that I don’t want/sell off the company (hard now that it’s managed by a nonprofit but still) etc.? I make a nice bulk download and move everything in whatever other system I want. I can do the same for contacts, email (I use my own domains) and calendar. Basically, 1h + the time to download files and I am moved to another provider.

        Can you elaborate in what you think the vendor lock looks like?

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    wasn’t proton revealed to be bullshitting about privacy recently?

    edit: swiss courts compelled protonmail to log IPs, keep fingerprints of browsers and disclose them to authorities. there is no privacy.