Soon after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas and the start of Israel’s offensive in Gaza, leading Republicans, including presidential candidates, said the U.S. should not welcome Palestinian refugees, claiming that they are antisemitic and potential national security risks.
They really just eat up any racist stereotypes they’re given
Some. SOME. And all they have to do is uproot their lives and flee across the Atlantic.
I want to be more enthusiastic about voting for you, Joe, but this isn’t doing it.
So many have crossed that water. If you are American, there is someone in your linage that uprooted themselves and took that chance. And they’re still standing in line.
Sometimes it isn’t about votes. Sometimes it’s doing what is right.
Doing what’s right is using the US’ leverage to stop the killing, not accepting ‘some refugees’. In fact, Netanyahu would love nothing more than to have everyone from the Gaza strip move elsewhere.
US leverage is not a golden wand
It pretty much is. And even if it wasn’t, cutting off military aid to a regime committing war crimes is both the moral and legal thing to do. Biden is literally breaking US law to keep sending weapons to Israel.
My great grandmother was an indentured servant for 4 years. That was the only way she could afford to emigrate from Europe.
The right thing to do would be to force Israel to adhere to what the UN says plus what Israel had previously agreed to.
“Some”…
All they have to do is leave the area their ancestors have lived in for thousands of years so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.
First of all, a whole lot of people have done that very thing for a better life.
Secondly, those Jews have been there as long as Arabs have.
In most cases, longer. Jews had been in Iraq more than a thousand years before Islam was even developed.
First of all, a whole lot of people have done that very thing for a better life
So do you think Ukranians should leave and let Russia have their land?
Secondly, those Jews have been there as long as Arabs have.
Factually untrue.
The only reason Israel was created was Europeans countries still wanted to get rid of their Jewish populations.
So they sent them to the Middle East and told the people living there to GTFO.
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Also while nouns are used for ethnicity, adjectives are appropriate for things like religion.
If they were Arabs, then they’re from that area.
They may be Jewish as well. But saying anyone that’s Jewish is from the Middle East just isn’t logical.
There are Ukrainians in the US.
Where did the word Judah come from and where is it?
There are Ukrainians in the US.
And there are Israelis here too… I know a couple that escaped after being forced into the IDF.
Where did the word Judah come from and where is it?
By your logic every human alive has a claim to Africa and can go there and genocide their incredibly distant cousins because Africa is rightfully theirs…
You’re talking about stuff from thousands of years ago. Israel the country has existed for less time than the current US president has been alive. Who cares about a different ancient kingdom?
Israel the country has existed for less time than the current US president has beenant alive
If you want to start in 1948, that’s when Palestine was created too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#British_Mandate_of_Palestine
Palestine existed, the British broke some off and created Israel.
That doesn’t mean Palestine became a new territory that also happened to be called Palestine.
It was still Palestine, just missing some pieces of Palestine.
By your logic, the British also created India when they broke a piece off to make Pakistan…
The UN created Isreal as well as Palestine. Yes, there were Arabs in the area all along. The jews were there 3,000 years ago but were forced off by the Romans. TheBrits simply held the territory after WWII.
so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.
Fucking what
EDIT: Love that I’m getting downvoted for being appalled by the “They aren’t REAL Jews” rhetoric here. Stay classy. Maybe if you embrace enough antisemitism, you’ll stop the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
There’s this notion that modern Israelis are essentially just Europeans who invaded after WWII, which is simply not true.
While the Zionist movement largely did originate in Europe in the late 1800s, the majority of Israeli citizens today are not of European ancestry / Ashkenazi. The majority are what’s called Mizrahi, coming from Middle Eastern Jewish communities that were forcibly expelled from Arab countries during the 50s and 60s. For instance, Ben Gvir, the current Minister of Defense (and to be clear, a complete little shit), is from an Iraqi family. In 1948, there were roughly 150,000 Jews in Iraq, making up nearly 40% of the population of Baghdad. Today, there are estimated to be less than five. Likewise, in Yemen, there were roughly 50,000 Jews, maintaining a presence that goes back well over 2500 years. Today, there may be one single Jew left in the country. The same situation happened all throughout the Arab world. The departing Jews generally had to flee their homes without any significant belongings, since their property was often confiscated. In Syria, for instance, a 1964 decree prevented Jews from traveling more than 3 miles from their homes, banned them from owning land, banned them from working in the government or in banks, banned them from leaving anything as inheritance - which would instead be seized by the state.
This person thinks that because the Jews who emigrated to Israel after the Holocaust were from Europe, their grandchildren who were born in Israel are somehow not deserving of living where they were born and should “go back where they came from”. It’s the same old dog whistle
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And you think those are just random Europeans who converted to Judaism to seize Israel for the lulz? Because that’s quite clearly the assertion that I quoted and am disputing.
Fuck, man, I think the creation of Israel was a mistake, but “They aren’t real Jews!” is going into some Black Israelites shit.
Israel is a European colonial project, there were already people living in the area before Israel was created in 1940s.
Zionism predates the creation of Israel. The creation of Israel was recognition of a de facto state of affairs that had developed out of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire which resulted in large numbers of Jews fleeing traditionally-antisemitic Europe (as Nazi Germany would soon prove was a life-saving choice), and later of Jews fleeing a rising wave of nationalist antisemitism in Arab states.
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No one said anything about “real Jews”, we’re talking about Israelis who are at most a single generation away from being European, many of the older generation were born in Europe regardless of religion.
Jesus Christ.
First, please look into the demographics of Israeli Jews.
Second, “At most a single generation”? Jesus fucking Christ, are you being serious?
So yes, Israelis are European colonists who displaced the people who lived on that land for many generations before any of them showed up.
I feel like we could get into a long argument here about the history of the region, but I think all of that is secondary to the fact that none of that has anything to do with Europeans converting to Judaism to steal Palestinian land. Jews from Europe, fleeing persecution, came to Palestine, where there was already a sizable Jewish minority.
Nothing you’ve described entitles European colonists to the land in Israel. They are there now, Israel isn’t going anywhere, but that does not excuse the ongoing genocide of the people who lived there already and have a much more substantiated claim to the land.
When the fuck have I excused the ongoing genocide?
Here, let me help you out by requoting literally everything I said before you objected to me:
so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.
Fucking what
Wow. So let me guess, you think every Israeli should vacate the middle east right? Even people who were born there, creating the same issue all over again. And let me guess, you don’t want the Arab or Muslim Israelis to leave right? Just “certain” ones
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Great comment. The problem here isn’t Israel or Judaism, it’s Zionism, which is fundamentally opposed to peace with non-followers. There’s a world where Israel can exist as some sort of territory and where Jews and Muslims can exist in that space together, but that will never happen as long as Zionism remains the dominant policy of the State of Israel. It’s literally lebensraum in the 21st century.
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Or, maybe let them have their homes back in Palestine without ongoing violence? I wonder which they’d prefer.
What kind of hypocritical bullshit is this? How about stop helping Isreal so they don’t become refugees in the first place. Pick a fucking lane. You either don’t care about Palestinians or you do. You don’t get to play both sides.
A humane solution with the force of law is usually an easy one to adopt.
That will stop any believe, that they are actively helping Israel clear out Gaza…
So, giving a shot at a better life is a bad thing? I’m sure that there are some Gazians that would disagree.
They could, and I know this sounds crazy, stop funding a genocide and human right violations. But it’s america, and we all know their history… Except a lot of americans it seems.
This is about as empty and meaningless as the dock for aid solution.
Saving lives and trying to right your wrongs: a famously meaningless action.
This is not righting a wrong if he’s still giving Israel money. This is like paying for a bandaid because the guy you keep giving a bunch of knives to is stabbing people. It’s a small damage control move when he himself is funding the damage in the first place.
He’s not trying to right a wrong, that would be cutting off Israel from money and weapons. Instead of trying to keep Netanyahu from getting arrested
