President Joe Biden’s support for the Israeli military offensive in Gaza mixed with student anger over police crackdowns on anti-war campus protests are complicating the work of Democratic youth groups trying to engage classmates and other Generation Z voters ahead of this year’s election.
Saying that there’s far more at stake than an ongoing genocide minimizes genocide.
My solution is to protest as loudly as possible and donate my time, money, and energy to stopping genocide, and not waste anyone’s time by trying to inhumanly minimize genocide.
More than one thing can be true at the same time. Stopping the genocide in Gaza is important. Stopping the rise of fascism in America is important. Stopping the erosion of civil liberties in America is important. Minimizing genocide would be me saying “It’s not that bad”, which I don’t believe is true. It is that bad. I just disagree with the apparent strategy that the nascent leftists have embraced, which is to cut off the nose to spite the face, a strategy that will ultimately end up with a continuation of the status quo at best and risks a rapid acceleration of all of the problems I mentioned above in the worst case scenario.
By all means, protest and donate your money and time to the effort. That seems to be making an impact to some degree.
None of that is going to stop by voting for Biden, lol. We are seeing a rise in fascism, an erosion of civil liberties, and genocide, under Biden. Yes, Trump would probably be worse on some of these aspects, or even all, but we are already well beyond what should be unacceptable.
Protesting and donating is doing far more for gazans than sucking up to Biden and minimizing his atrocities ever will, and I say that as someone that will likely still vote for him.
“Order must prevail” - Biden to protestors calling him out for genocide. Violent crackdowns on student protestors.
Allowing Roe V Wade to be overturned and no plan to reinstate abortion protections. Refusing to pack the courts or play hardball, just letting everything increasingly slip away.
Literal genocide actively funded by Biden.
This is well beyond the point of no return. If Biden had an R next to his name with the same amount of fascism, Blue MAGA might actually give a damn about the lives of Palestinians, instead of trying to pretend Biden is some great hero and shitting on protestors for daring to call him out.
Biden to protestors calling him out for genocide. Violent crackdowns on student protestors.
Last I checked, the executive is not in control of state or local police departments. He did not command them to crack down on protests. He’s doing what a president is supposed to do, which is be the voice of reason. He has never said that the protests were wrong. In fact, he is on record saying that everybody has the right to protest, but they must do so legally. Trespassing and destruction of property are not legal. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. I’m sure you’d feel different about it if people broke into your house and wrecked your shit and then tried to argue that they shouldn’t be arrested because it’s their first amendment right to protest.
Allowing Roe V Wade to be overturned
Who appointed the conservative majority that led to that decision? Trump. Yeah, let’s blame the guy sitting in the chair now for the shit his predecessor got rolling last term. Real intelligent take there.
Refusing to pack the courts or play hardball,
If he packed the courts, you’d be saying he’s undemocratic for that. Give me a break. FYI, Biden is pushing for stronger federal protections on abortion rights, so he is doing everything in his power to change things within the framework of his authority in the government. The president is not a king. Congress and the Judicial have to play ball as well.
By the way, packing the courts won’t get Roe v Wade reinstates because they could always decide to not hear the case again. That’s going to take a legislative effort to fix the problem that the courts created in the first place.
Literal genocide actively funded by Biden.
Didn’t ask about that, because the answer was obvious, but thanks for volunteering the information again.
Ah yes, the “voice of reason” is telling students to accept getting absolutely blasted by Zionist fascists and cops for protesting against his genocide. It’s telling that you consider police brutality “the voice of reason,” lmao.
If Biden packed the courts, I would be happy that he took a stance against Conservatives. He would actually be representing the will of the people if he did that, the fact that you have to invent my position for me proves just how little you understand leftists.
I am fully aware that packing the courts won’t get Roe back, lol. What it would do is prevent similar far-right bullshit, but Joe is okay with it so he won’t.
You’re doing a great job illustrating how you are okay with fascism.
Wow, talk about inventing positions. Biden saying “please don’t violate the law when you protest” is the same as “telling students to accept getting absolutely blasted by Zionist fascists and cops for protesting against his genocide”?
You know what? I’ve got a lot better things to be doing with my weekend than arguing with you about this. I live in reality, so it’ll be impossible for us to ever see eye to eye on things. Sounds like you’ve got a really busy schedule of protesting and donating your time and money in a single-minded fervor, so why don’t you get back to doing that, sport? You’re just wasting words on me.
"According to the IHRA, that definition also encompasses the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity”.
The group also includes certain examples in its definition to illustrate anti-Semitism. Saying, for instance, that “the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor” would be deemed anti-Semitic under its terms. The definition also bars any comparison between “contemporary Israeli policy” and “that of the Nazis”."
Also the tiktok ban is because of its contributions to anti-Israeli sentiment among young people.
That’s not true. It’s because of it’s ties to China. if it were just about Anti-Israeli sentiment, they wouldn’t allow the platform to exist by allowing Bytedance to sell it to an American company. I also don’t agree with the TikTok ban, for the record, but I’m not making up bullshit about what the ban is actually about.
The antisemitism bill was passed with veto proof majorities.
The anti-BDS laws are currently in effect in many states, and have been for years
Tik Tok is only able to blast anti-Israeli content onto the screens of Americans because it is owned by China. This is because China wants to destroy western international institutions such as the ICC ICJ UN etc. They plan to do this, in part, by eroding all of our moral credibility by pointing out that we have no interest in stopping genocide when it is perpetrated by our (white, settler colonialist) allies. This is designed to contribute to their longterm plan of destroying the Bretton Woods system and the western rules based world order that was created after WWII. Which is also the goal of BRICS, which is to replace the dollar as the world’s currency.
Highlighting Israel’s war crimes, and the West’s support of such, is one of the many steps to achieve those longterm goals - and tiktok helps them achieve that result.
How is this minimizing genocide? I’ve acknowledged that it’s a serious problem.
What’s your solution?
Saying that there’s far more at stake than an ongoing genocide minimizes genocide.
My solution is to protest as loudly as possible and donate my time, money, and energy to stopping genocide, and not waste anyone’s time by trying to inhumanly minimize genocide.
More than one thing can be true at the same time. Stopping the genocide in Gaza is important. Stopping the rise of fascism in America is important. Stopping the erosion of civil liberties in America is important. Minimizing genocide would be me saying “It’s not that bad”, which I don’t believe is true. It is that bad. I just disagree with the apparent strategy that the nascent leftists have embraced, which is to cut off the nose to spite the face, a strategy that will ultimately end up with a continuation of the status quo at best and risks a rapid acceleration of all of the problems I mentioned above in the worst case scenario.
By all means, protest and donate your money and time to the effort. That seems to be making an impact to some degree.
None of that is going to stop by voting for Biden, lol. We are seeing a rise in fascism, an erosion of civil liberties, and genocide, under Biden. Yes, Trump would probably be worse on some of these aspects, or even all, but we are already well beyond what should be unacceptable.
Protesting and donating is doing far more for gazans than sucking up to Biden and minimizing his atrocities ever will, and I say that as someone that will likely still vote for him.
Can you give me some examples of fascist behavior or civil liberty erosion directly caused by Biden’s policies?
Sure.
“Order must prevail” - Biden to protestors calling him out for genocide. Violent crackdowns on student protestors.
Allowing Roe V Wade to be overturned and no plan to reinstate abortion protections. Refusing to pack the courts or play hardball, just letting everything increasingly slip away.
Literal genocide actively funded by Biden.
This is well beyond the point of no return. If Biden had an R next to his name with the same amount of fascism, Blue MAGA might actually give a damn about the lives of Palestinians, instead of trying to pretend Biden is some great hero and shitting on protestors for daring to call him out.
Last I checked, the executive is not in control of state or local police departments. He did not command them to crack down on protests. He’s doing what a president is supposed to do, which is be the voice of reason. He has never said that the protests were wrong. In fact, he is on record saying that everybody has the right to protest, but they must do so legally. Trespassing and destruction of property are not legal. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. I’m sure you’d feel different about it if people broke into your house and wrecked your shit and then tried to argue that they shouldn’t be arrested because it’s their first amendment right to protest.
Who appointed the conservative majority that led to that decision? Trump. Yeah, let’s blame the guy sitting in the chair now for the shit his predecessor got rolling last term. Real intelligent take there.
If he packed the courts, you’d be saying he’s undemocratic for that. Give me a break. FYI, Biden is pushing for stronger federal protections on abortion rights, so he is doing everything in his power to change things within the framework of his authority in the government. The president is not a king. Congress and the Judicial have to play ball as well.
By the way, packing the courts won’t get Roe v Wade reinstates because they could always decide to not hear the case again. That’s going to take a legislative effort to fix the problem that the courts created in the first place.
Didn’t ask about that, because the answer was obvious, but thanks for volunteering the information again.
I remain unconvinced.
Ah yes, the “voice of reason” is telling students to accept getting absolutely blasted by Zionist fascists and cops for protesting against his genocide. It’s telling that you consider police brutality “the voice of reason,” lmao.
If Biden packed the courts, I would be happy that he took a stance against Conservatives. He would actually be representing the will of the people if he did that, the fact that you have to invent my position for me proves just how little you understand leftists.
I am fully aware that packing the courts won’t get Roe back, lol. What it would do is prevent similar far-right bullshit, but Joe is okay with it so he won’t.
You’re doing a great job illustrating how you are okay with fascism.
Wow, talk about inventing positions. Biden saying “please don’t violate the law when you protest” is the same as “telling students to accept getting absolutely blasted by Zionist fascists and cops for protesting against his genocide”?
You know what? I’ve got a lot better things to be doing with my weekend than arguing with you about this. I live in reality, so it’ll be impossible for us to ever see eye to eye on things. Sounds like you’ve got a really busy schedule of protesting and donating your time and money in a single-minded fervor, so why don’t you get back to doing that, sport? You’re just wasting words on me.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/1/us-house-passes-controversial-bill-that-expands-definition-of-anti-semitism
"According to the IHRA, that definition also encompasses the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity”.
The group also includes certain examples in its definition to illustrate anti-Semitism. Saying, for instance, that “the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor” would be deemed anti-Semitic under its terms. The definition also bars any comparison between “contemporary Israeli policy” and “that of the Nazis”."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws
Also the tiktok ban is because of its contributions to anti-Israeli sentiment among young people.
That bill hasn’t been signed into law yet, btw.
That’s not true. It’s because of it’s ties to China. if it were just about Anti-Israeli sentiment, they wouldn’t allow the platform to exist by allowing Bytedance to sell it to an American company. I also don’t agree with the TikTok ban, for the record, but I’m not making up bullshit about what the ban is actually about.
The antisemitism bill was passed with veto proof majorities.
The anti-BDS laws are currently in effect in many states, and have been for years
Tik Tok is only able to blast anti-Israeli content onto the screens of Americans because it is owned by China. This is because China wants to destroy western international institutions such as the ICC ICJ UN etc. They plan to do this, in part, by eroding all of our moral credibility by pointing out that we have no interest in stopping genocide when it is perpetrated by our (white, settler colonialist) allies. This is designed to contribute to their longterm plan of destroying the Bretton Woods system and the western rules based world order that was created after WWII. Which is also the goal of BRICS, which is to replace the dollar as the world’s currency.
Highlighting Israel’s war crimes, and the West’s support of such, is one of the many steps to achieve those longterm goals - and tiktok helps them achieve that result.