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im still with David Grusch and believe there’s been real ufo encounters…
but it doesn’t surprise me they’d use the public interest in that another way…
They definitely gaslit the dude, for the greater good of America, I suppose; I’m sure one could make the case that the success and therefore the secrecy of America’s stealth and space programs were essential to bringing about the present world order, in which America is the lone superpower, for better or worse.
I think there are real cases in which various visual, optical, radio, or computer phenomena, have been misinterpreted by observers in good faith, who have reconciled what they could not explain with fantasies.
Or do you mean that, despite official statements to the contrary and lack of available evidence, in fact actual extraterrestrials have traveled to the earth and their presence verified and knowledge held in secret from the general public?
in which America is the lone superpower, for better or worse.
for worse… but i’d argue that China and the EU are superpowers…
Or do you mean that, despite official statements to the contrary and lack of available evidence, in fact actual extraterrestrials have traveled to the earth and their presence verified and knowledge held in secret from the general public
although your premises are incorrect, yes to the conclusion.
i’d argue that Grusch’s claims constitute an official statement, and evidence… given his clearances and official position in the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)
… as well as the navy releasing video of the tictac ufo…
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i mean, there’s a longer list i could come up with. one important thing in the old untrustworthy first hand evidence, is consistency… certain shapes of craft and descriptions of things keep repeating themselves throughout history.
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it’s hard to approach the topic with an open mind, given the absolute fuck-ton of bullshit, flim-flam, scams, and crazy people surrounding it. i’m very lucky in that i was a first hand witness to the “1994 michigan ufo event”, so i always knew there was something alien visiting us… just never what the fuck else that meant.
there’s a really good episode of Unsolved Mysteries on it: https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/unsolved-mysteries-something-in-the-sky
And that was very widely witnessed, as well as tracked by radar…
“I don’t believe for a minute that it was any kind of alien structure; I think there is a fairly strong earthly explanation for what occurred,” says Leo Grenier, director of the National Weather Service in Muskegon. …
Grenier of the National Weather Service believes the Federal Aviation Administration knows what happened that night but isn’t saying.
“If any aircraft are within a given area, then the FAA has to know what’s going on in that area. But most of the time, they won’t acknowledge anything, not even to us,” he says.
“I think I know what it was, but I’m not going to tell you. Once I retire from the National Weather Service, I might tell somebody.”
Any more about what this guy thinks it was in Michigan?
First time I saw the tic tac video, it looked to me like glare that I’ve seen before on a PTZ camera inside a clear dome aka a speed dome camera, and I found credible the many who say that’s exactly what it is just from reflected infrared light. The voices, which I later learned are fake, are what made me think “nah, it couldn’t be an artifact, the pilots would recognize it.”
no idea on Leo Grenier, but the actual radar operator went on to track crafts over the lake for hours… after he retired he talked a lot more about it (and that it’s definitely aliens)
as to the tic tac video, glad you set me up for this: Yeah the pilot of the plane that filmed that, was one of three people who gave testimony to congress (along with David Grusch). The whole congressional hearing is tedious to watch, but well worth it.
That pilot goes into great detail about how he had multiple instruments tracking the tictac, other planes were flying with him, how extensively he’s educated on that equipment, and how exactly he’s sure that it’s not some camera glitch.
but you should definitely watch the entire, unedited congressional hearing on UAPs… i watched a lot of coverage about it, but it all misses a lot of important things. Still the members of congress talk too much about themselves, etc… but you should see the whole thing.
And as much as i dislike Joe Rogan lately, his interview with Grusch is pretty good; he lets Grusch talk for most of the time.
“Leo Grenier, director of Muskegon’s National Weather Service office, says he knows what happened – but he won’t tell. “There wasn’t any UFO,” Grenier said. “There’s an earthly explanation but I’m not going to talk about it.” The reason, Grenier said, is national security. “I was in the Navy for 20 years. I know a lot of Navy operations and a good bit (about) Navy equipment. I checked with some retired electronic technicians I know, and they confirmed what I thought.”
I’m not doubting what you saw. I’m just wondering what that Grenier guy thinks you saw. He seems to say he has a good idea of what it is. He could be a total nutter but I’d still like to know what he thinks. Hasn’t some podcaster tracked him down?
And are there any photos? I couldn’t seem to find any.
damn, they gas lighted him…
im still with David Grusch and believe there’s been real ufo encounters…
but it doesn’t surprise me they’d use the public interest in that another way…
They definitely gaslit the dude, for the greater good of America, I suppose; I’m sure one could make the case that the success and therefore the secrecy of America’s stealth and space programs were essential to bringing about the present world order, in which America is the lone superpower, for better or worse.
I think there are real cases in which various visual, optical, radio, or computer phenomena, have been misinterpreted by observers in good faith, who have reconciled what they could not explain with fantasies.
Or do you mean that, despite official statements to the contrary and lack of available evidence, in fact actual extraterrestrials have traveled to the earth and their presence verified and knowledge held in secret from the general public?
for worse… but i’d argue that China and the EU are superpowers…
although your premises are incorrect, yes to the conclusion.
i’d argue that Grusch’s claims constitute an official statement, and evidence… given his clearances and official position in the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)
… as well as the navy releasing video of the tictac ufo…
…
i mean, there’s a longer list i could come up with. one important thing in the old untrustworthy first hand evidence, is consistency… certain shapes of craft and descriptions of things keep repeating themselves throughout history.
…
it’s hard to approach the topic with an open mind, given the absolute fuck-ton of bullshit, flim-flam, scams, and crazy people surrounding it. i’m very lucky in that i was a first hand witness to the “1994 michigan ufo event”, so i always knew there was something alien visiting us… just never what the fuck else that meant.
there’s a really good episode of Unsolved Mysteries on it: https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/unsolved-mysteries-something-in-the-sky
And that was very widely witnessed, as well as tracked by radar…
Any more about what this guy thinks it was in Michigan?
First time I saw the tic tac video, it looked to me like glare that I’ve seen before on a PTZ camera inside a clear dome aka a speed dome camera, and I found credible the many who say that’s exactly what it is just from reflected infrared light. The voices, which I later learned are fake, are what made me think “nah, it couldn’t be an artifact, the pilots would recognize it.”
no idea on Leo Grenier, but the actual radar operator went on to track crafts over the lake for hours… after he retired he talked a lot more about it (and that it’s definitely aliens)
as to the tic tac video, glad you set me up for this: Yeah the pilot of the plane that filmed that, was one of three people who gave testimony to congress (along with David Grusch). The whole congressional hearing is tedious to watch, but well worth it.
That pilot goes into great detail about how he had multiple instruments tracking the tictac, other planes were flying with him, how extensively he’s educated on that equipment, and how exactly he’s sure that it’s not some camera glitch.
but you should definitely watch the entire, unedited congressional hearing on UAPs… i watched a lot of coverage about it, but it all misses a lot of important things. Still the members of congress talk too much about themselves, etc… but you should see the whole thing.
And as much as i dislike Joe Rogan lately, his interview with Grusch is pretty good; he lets Grusch talk for most of the time.
Found one more quote from Grenier:
lol… no, one guy who wasn’t there saying some vague coverup language (i know what it is, but won’t tell you, but it’s totally not ufo)
no that doesn’t discount hundreds of eye witnesses across hundreds of miles, and the actual guy operating the radar:
https://wwmt.com/news/local/retired-meteorologist-shares-his-account-of-1994-west-michigan-ufo-sightings
it makes zero sense to keep quoting a guy who wasn’t there, and who says “i know but wont tell you till i retire”
and btw, no current comments from Grenier…
also, i was there… and i know what i saw!
I’m not doubting what you saw. I’m just wondering what that Grenier guy thinks you saw. He seems to say he has a good idea of what it is. He could be a total nutter but I’d still like to know what he thinks. Hasn’t some podcaster tracked him down?
And are there any photos? I couldn’t seem to find any.
you should watch the episode…
no pictures that i know of…
1994 was still film cameras and not very good at night photography…
i don’t think he’s a nutter, i think he’s lying…