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Do you think stereotyping is okay just because someone else does it? Nevermind the misogynistic implications of basing a woman’s value on her usefulness “in the household.”
That is my experience and I did point that out on a number of times in my post. Your experience may differ from mine.
Plus, I don’t live in the US, so things may be different here than what they are over there. Don’t assume that just because I’m an English speaker that I’m automatically from the US.
The problem is not your experience, it’s your opinion. It’s highly, highly misogynistic.
I’m not sure why you hastily point out you are not American like it’s some sort of excuse. Neither am I, but I’m also not a huge chauvinist piece of shit.
Because most just assume that I live in the US and start posting things that are US specific.
My point was, we come from a different background and different life experiences. I laid out my experience and piointed out, on a number of times, that experiences may differ and that this is just my own personal opinion and experience. You don’t like it, don’t read it 🤷.
Because most just assume that I live in the US and start posting things that are US specific.
Like what? I’m really curious. Because I’m pretty fucking far from the US, both physically and culturally.
My point was, we come from a different background and different life experiences. I laid out my experience and piointed out, on a number of times, that experiences may differ and that this is just my own personal opinion and experience.
That’s a lot of words to avoid copping to posting incel crap. You have women where you live right? Learn to do better.
Like what? I’m really curious. Because I’m pretty fucking far from the US, both physically and culturally.
Like I post on how to, let’s say, cut down on disk usage, and people point me to the prices of HDDs on NewEgg… they just assumed I live in the US and that drives are cheap as hell… they aren’t around here. $80 for a 2TB drive, up to $250, 300 for an 8TB drive. Not to mention that salaries are a lot lower here… like 10+ times lower.
That’s a lot of words to avoid copping to posting incel crap. You have women where you live right? Learn to do better.
Like I post on how to, let’s say, cut down on disk usage, and people point me to the prices of HDDs on NewEgg… they just assumed I live in the US and that drives are cheap as hell… they aren’t around here. $80 for a 2TB drive, up to $250, 300 for an 8TB drive. Not to mention that salaries are a lot lower here… like 10+ times lower.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that does not seem pertinent to our conversation.
Why did you think it is relevant to point out that you are not from the US in this conversation?
Learn to do what better? 😂
Learn to talk like you think women are actual people, you friggin incel.
No. Why? Cuz I just don’t believe in that… but I bet righteus liberals like you do, since my post got deleted and I got banned (this conversation is going on only on lem.ee and infosec.pub if you haven’t noticed).
The stereotypes maybe not being true isn’t the issue. It’s the blatant objectification and the foundation of sexism your comment is built on that’s the issue.
Women are not objects or “just for show”. They are people.
In either case, both the barbie girl and the big tiddy goth gf are (generally) of no use in the household.
Women are not household slaves to clean up after you. They are not objects. Their worth is not dependent on how they cook or clean. Maybe you can be learn to be useful in the household.
One is for show, the other one is for sexual pleasure, but neither of them can be classified as good partners (in general… doesn’t mean it’s true for all).
Again, not objects. Not sex objects, not trophies for your viewing pleasure, not cleaning robots. And saying “doesn’t mean it’s true for all” doesn’t make your sweeping generalization not demeaning or objectification. Anyone can be a good partner. If you keep having bad experiences with large groups of women, guess what… you’re the common denominator.
They usually care more about their style (appearance) than anything else.
Another generalization -_- the same people that say this kinda thing then unironically spend 12 hours playing video games or throw a tantrum when their sports team loses. It’s a hobby for some people. And for others, they’re told they’re not worth anything unless they spend all their time looking perfect (like you just did in the last paragraph)
but… when it comes to actually marrying one, usually, none of them is them is the right choice.
I will never understand how some people will say women are sex objects and then shame them when they have sex, all in the same breath. And if you’re kinky or like sex, you’re bad at marriage? That doesn’t even make any logical sense.
You want a partner that will be by your side and cherish what you both have? Go to a market or a convenient store at 9AM on a Sunday. Those are the people that know what responsibilities are and will always be there for you.
Yeah, best place to hit on women is when they’re grocery shopping lmao I don’t know why, but this reminds me of parents telling their kids to put on a suit, walk into any company, shake the owner’s hand, and you’ll get a job.
Once again, this is a generalization… doesn’t mean everything is like I described it… this is more of a past experiences sort of a thing, mainly my experiences.
Yeah, it’s not like you describe. You have to work through that resentment you feel towards these women before you have a healthy relationship. Seriously, as a man who could have very easily become an incel, I’m telling you that the most important thing you can do is to think of women as people. Retrain your brain, reinforce the thought ‘this woman is just like me, they are doing what they are doing for a reason. If I disagree with what they are doing, maybe I don’t understand it. I’ll try to understand it before criticizing it. And what this one woman is doing does not represent all women’
I was lucky enough to meet a woman who is a lot like the women you’re criticizing. And she is an incredible wife and partner, and I have learned so much from her about what it means to be a woman. I hope one day you can find the same empathy and understanding.
I do know something about your experience in life, you communicated that clearly, and continue to communicate that in all your replies.
You’re free to comment your opinion, and I welcome you to comment on what you think my history/experience in life is like. But I will never stop defending women or really any other groups that are constantly harassed, demeaned, misrepresented, etc.
I do so hoping that you’ll be open to learning something new, but if not then at the very least you’ll know this is not a safe space for sexism, others have the chance to gain a new perspective or add to the discussion, and people in those groups know they are welcome here and valued as people.
You’re free to comment your opinion, and I welcome you to comment on what you think my history/experience in life is like.
I won’t… because I don’t know you (personally).
But I will never stop defending women or really any other groups that are constantly harassed, demeaned, misrepresented, etc.
Yeah, right 😂. Men aren’t, so it’s OK to stand behind women and everyone else that needs protection from people 😂.
What if I presented a completely different take on things regarding women.
I do so hoping that you’ll be open to learning something new, but if not then at the very least you’ll know this is not a safe space for sexism, others have the chance to gain a new perspective or add to the discussion, and people in those groups know they are welcome here and valued as people.
I have learned enough about women in my life… and this is my stand, I’m not budging from it. You will change yours as well, with time… I presume you’re young… I was as well, thinking just like you… and then life happened.
You will change yours as well, with time… I presume you’re young…
Lmaooo can’t even be consistent in the same comment. No I’m old enough and have enough morals to not become a jaded sexist.
Yeah, right 😂. Men aren’t, so it’s OK to stand behind women and everyone else that needs protection from people 😂. What if I presented a completely different take on things regarding women.
Yeah exactly, men aren’t and it’s ok to stand behind people who are. No idea what you’re trying to say with this part, it doesn’t really make sense.
I have learned enough about women in my life… and this is my stand, I’m not budging from it.
Yeah that’s fine, I’m just here to make sure you know you’re wrong. I can’t make you have empathy, or morals, or be a good person.
No I’m old enough and have enough morals to not become a jaded sexist.
No you’re not… trust me, you’re not.
Yeah exactly, men aren’t and it’s ok to stand behind people who are. No idea what you’re trying to say with this part, it doesn’t really make sense.
As if men aren’t harrased by women (or other men, doesn’t matter), so it’s OK to stand behind women, but not men.
You all get so protective of women, but have no idea what exactly it is that you’re protecting. Should I go on about gold diggers, the most common kind of fraud there is? And it’s over 99% women that do this. What about divorces and how women are the ones that almost always get custody of the children, even though the fathers might have been good fathers, but no, she gets to keep them. Why? Well, she’s their mother, of course, it’s perfectly natural 🤷.
There are tons of other examples where women are almost always peferred to men… and none of us (men) seem to be bothered about it, but when they ask for something (rights in society, money from their partner, whatever), it’s automatically assumed that they should just have that and it’s done without questioning it.
They have more rights than men now, in almost every aspect, and they still bitch about not having right (civilized world, not talking about saudi arabia).
Yeah that’s fine, I’m just here to make sure you know you’re wrong. I can’t make you have empathy, or morals, or be a good person.
I am a good person… in general. Morals flew out the window when I saw what everyone else was doing around me. I only have empathy for my kid, that’s it.
I used to be different… used to be more like you I guess… and then reality slowly set in.
I’m not trusting someone that doesn’t know me to tell me I’m not old lol
The rest of your comment… good God. You really need therapy. If you don’t have a therapist, please get one. You need to talk to someone in real life, arguing with people on the Internet is not a substitute for healthy venting or communication. Your worldview is driven by resentment, and you can’t seem to see other people’s perspectives, and that’s not something to apathetically accept. You’re not too old to become a better person. What you’re saying is not reality. It might seem like your reality, but you have the power to change that and see the reality of others around you.
This conversation has become less and less productive, and I’m no longer going to engage, but I hope your life gets better.
I’ve met plenty of goth women who got married and were good wives. There’s this weird stereotype that says that if you want to get married, you have to marry June Cleaver, and that’s just stupid.
As I said, on a number of times, it’s not written in stone. Hell, I know a lot of goth chicks that are good parents as well… but, there’s the other 70% that are… well… they’re not good partners or parrents.
Mind you, I don’t live in the US so my experience may greatly differ from what tou guys have over there… as well as the standard of what a good partner and parent is.
What did I just read? And I thought I grew in a country with a conservative society.
Engaging in stereotypes is an immature behaviour. The world isn’t all black and white.
And what the heck is a wifey material? You’re a grown man, right? I’m pretty sure you can cook your own food, mop your own floor, wash your own clothes and buy your inventory. Why do you need a woman for that?
Goth and bimbocore are just subcultures that deviate from the norm. Remove all of that, and what remains behind is a woman. It does not make them a bad mother, a bad cook, a bad home-keeper or a bad life-partner.
In Hinglish, we have this saying: “Pehle slutty-savitri, phir sati-savitri”. This phrase essentially criticizes the hypocrisy of men who manipulate and exploit women for their own desires but then seek “pure” wives for marriage. This applies to you.
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I don’t usually get this much misogyny with my morning coffee
You don’t like it, don’t read it 🤷.
Please don’t make sweeping generalizations about whether or not women are “of use in the household” ever again, thanks.
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Do you think stereotyping is okay just because someone else does it? Nevermind the misogynistic implications of basing a woman’s value on her usefulness “in the household.”
Wow dude.
This is some 1950s shit right there.
That is my experience and I did point that out on a number of times in my post. Your experience may differ from mine.
Plus, I don’t live in the US, so things may be different here than what they are over there. Don’t assume that just because I’m an English speaker that I’m automatically from the US.
The problem is not your experience, it’s your opinion. It’s highly, highly misogynistic.
I’m not sure why you hastily point out you are not American like it’s some sort of excuse. Neither am I, but I’m also not a huge chauvinist piece of shit.
Because most just assume that I live in the US and start posting things that are US specific.
My point was, we come from a different background and different life experiences. I laid out my experience and piointed out, on a number of times, that experiences may differ and that this is just my own personal opinion and experience. You don’t like it, don’t read it 🤷.
Like what? I’m really curious. Because I’m pretty fucking far from the US, both physically and culturally.
That’s a lot of words to avoid copping to posting incel crap. You have women where you live right? Learn to do better.
Like I post on how to, let’s say, cut down on disk usage, and people point me to the prices of HDDs on NewEgg… they just assumed I live in the US and that drives are cheap as hell… they aren’t around here. $80 for a 2TB drive, up to $250, 300 for an 8TB drive. Not to mention that salaries are a lot lower here… like 10+ times lower.
Learn to do what better? 😂
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that does not seem pertinent to our conversation.
Why did you think it is relevant to point out that you are not from the US in this conversation?
Learn to talk like you think women are actual people, you friggin incel.
Because of entitled liberals thinking their POV and their POV only is what matters. Guess what, not everyone agrees with what you think.
I never insulted anyone, yet I see insults left and right from people…
If my POV on this issues is not something you agree with, skip over my comments 🤷.
Not American here either, and wow, do you miss every mark.
That may be your POV, but I think we can agree that it might not be everyone’s.
It seems like you’re the odd one out here.
Stop listening to Andrew taint or wherever you got your info.
Lol 😂, I don’t even know who that is.
Regardless, as I’ve said, this is my own personal experience in life (mostly)… doesn’t mean it’s everyone’s.
go away tryhard
That first paragraph was a warning that you hold some bad ideas.
The first sentence of the second paragraph show that everything you say can be dismissed without further examination.
Hey, that is my experience, and I did point out that it might not be true for everyone, on a number of times.
Lol. You sound like an incel.
OK, your take on things I guess 🤷.
No man, you say incel stuff. That makes you at least incel adjacent.
I’m not… but whatever, we’re just 2 strangers talking.
In that case, and for future information, you say things incels say. If you don’t want to come off as an incel, start saying different stuff.
That’s my stand regarding this, I won’t change it 🤷. Don’t like it, skip over my replies/posts 🤷.
No. It’s your shitty perspective on your experiences.
I can say the same about your perspective on my experiences, correct?
Based on the state of public opinion, clearly no.
I can… doesn’t matter what the state of public opinion is. Your perspective is bs to me, so if you have the right to say that, so do I 🤷.
Clearly you can physically say whatever you want.
I can say you own the moon. I could say people respect you. I could say I appreciate you wasting my time.
It doesn’t mean shit. I thought you meant could you say it in a way that mattered. I thought you had more subtext. Clearly that’s beyond you.
So at face value, fuck off loser.
OK, so now I report you, correct?
No. Why? Cuz I just don’t believe in that… but I bet righteus liberals like you do, since my post got deleted and I got banned (this conversation is going on only on lem.ee and infosec.pub if you haven’t noticed).
The stereotypes maybe not being true isn’t the issue. It’s the blatant objectification and the foundation of sexism your comment is built on that’s the issue.
Like the guy in the video didn’t objectify women at all, lol 😂. Grow up man, everyone’s an object when doing social studies or laying out opinions.
Women are not objects or “just for show”. They are people.
Women are not household slaves to clean up after you. They are not objects. Their worth is not dependent on how they cook or clean. Maybe you can be learn to be useful in the household.
Again, not objects. Not sex objects, not trophies for your viewing pleasure, not cleaning robots. And saying “doesn’t mean it’s true for all” doesn’t make your sweeping generalization not demeaning or objectification. Anyone can be a good partner. If you keep having bad experiences with large groups of women, guess what… you’re the common denominator.
Another generalization -_- the same people that say this kinda thing then unironically spend 12 hours playing video games or throw a tantrum when their sports team loses. It’s a hobby for some people. And for others, they’re told they’re not worth anything unless they spend all their time looking perfect (like you just did in the last paragraph)
I will never understand how some people will say women are sex objects and then shame them when they have sex, all in the same breath. And if you’re kinky or like sex, you’re bad at marriage? That doesn’t even make any logical sense.
Yeah, best place to hit on women is when they’re grocery shopping lmao I don’t know why, but this reminds me of parents telling their kids to put on a suit, walk into any company, shake the owner’s hand, and you’ll get a job.
Yeah, it’s not like you describe. You have to work through that resentment you feel towards these women before you have a healthy relationship. Seriously, as a man who could have very easily become an incel, I’m telling you that the most important thing you can do is to think of women as people. Retrain your brain, reinforce the thought ‘this woman is just like me, they are doing what they are doing for a reason. If I disagree with what they are doing, maybe I don’t understand it. I’ll try to understand it before criticizing it. And what this one woman is doing does not represent all women’
I was lucky enough to meet a woman who is a lot like the women you’re criticizing. And she is an incredible wife and partner, and I have learned so much from her about what it means to be a woman. I hope one day you can find the same empathy and understanding.
You know nothing about me or my history/experience in life… yet, you’re free to comment on it, but I’m not allowed 😒…
Just so we’re all clear, your little woman hating ass is NOT the victim here.
I don’t hate women, where did I write that 😂.
We all read your first post. Stop throwing the rock and hiding the hand you coward.
I never wrote anything like that! 😂 I just wrote my take on women stereotypes… the guy in the video was stereotyping them as well 😂.
You sure did. And there’s a word for people that write that crap.
There is also a word for people that think their POV is the best.
I do know something about your experience in life, you communicated that clearly, and continue to communicate that in all your replies.
You’re free to comment your opinion, and I welcome you to comment on what you think my history/experience in life is like. But I will never stop defending women or really any other groups that are constantly harassed, demeaned, misrepresented, etc.
I do so hoping that you’ll be open to learning something new, but if not then at the very least you’ll know this is not a safe space for sexism, others have the chance to gain a new perspective or add to the discussion, and people in those groups know they are welcome here and valued as people.
I won’t… because I don’t know you (personally).
Yeah, right 😂. Men aren’t, so it’s OK to stand behind women and everyone else that needs protection from people 😂.
What if I presented a completely different take on things regarding women.
I have learned enough about women in my life… and this is my stand, I’m not budging from it. You will change yours as well, with time… I presume you’re young… I was as well, thinking just like you… and then life happened.
Lmaooo can’t even be consistent in the same comment. No I’m old enough and have enough morals to not become a jaded sexist.
Yeah exactly, men aren’t and it’s ok to stand behind people who are. No idea what you’re trying to say with this part, it doesn’t really make sense.
Yeah that’s fine, I’m just here to make sure you know you’re wrong. I can’t make you have empathy, or morals, or be a good person.
No you’re not… trust me, you’re not.
As if men aren’t harrased by women (or other men, doesn’t matter), so it’s OK to stand behind women, but not men.
You all get so protective of women, but have no idea what exactly it is that you’re protecting. Should I go on about gold diggers, the most common kind of fraud there is? And it’s over 99% women that do this. What about divorces and how women are the ones that almost always get custody of the children, even though the fathers might have been good fathers, but no, she gets to keep them. Why? Well, she’s their mother, of course, it’s perfectly natural 🤷.
There are tons of other examples where women are almost always peferred to men… and none of us (men) seem to be bothered about it, but when they ask for something (rights in society, money from their partner, whatever), it’s automatically assumed that they should just have that and it’s done without questioning it.
They have more rights than men now, in almost every aspect, and they still bitch about not having right (civilized world, not talking about saudi arabia).
I am a good person… in general. Morals flew out the window when I saw what everyone else was doing around me. I only have empathy for my kid, that’s it.
I used to be different… used to be more like you I guess… and then reality slowly set in.
I’m not trusting someone that doesn’t know me to tell me I’m not old lol
The rest of your comment… good God. You really need therapy. If you don’t have a therapist, please get one. You need to talk to someone in real life, arguing with people on the Internet is not a substitute for healthy venting or communication. Your worldview is driven by resentment, and you can’t seem to see other people’s perspectives, and that’s not something to apathetically accept. You’re not too old to become a better person. What you’re saying is not reality. It might seem like your reality, but you have the power to change that and see the reality of others around you.
This conversation has become less and less productive, and I’m no longer going to engage, but I hope your life gets better.
If you wanna look at the world through pink glasses, that’s fine… just don’t treat me like I’m the one needing help.
I gave a valid reply… you decided to ignore it 🤷.
I’ve met plenty of goth women who got married and were good wives. There’s this weird stereotype that says that if you want to get married, you have to marry June Cleaver, and that’s just stupid.
As I said, on a number of times, it’s not written in stone. Hell, I know a lot of goth chicks that are good parents as well… but, there’s the other 70% that are… well… they’re not good partners or parrents.
Mind you, I don’t live in the US so my experience may greatly differ from what tou guys have over there… as well as the standard of what a good partner and parent is.
Where do you get that 70% figure?
Doubt it
It is about 70% from my own personal experience.
You can doubt all you want, doesn’t change the fact that I do 😂.
What did I just read? And I thought I grew in a country with a conservative society.
Engaging in stereotypes is an immature behaviour. The world isn’t all black and white.
And what the heck is a wifey material? You’re a grown man, right? I’m pretty sure you can cook your own food, mop your own floor, wash your own clothes and buy your inventory. Why do you need a woman for that?
Goth and bimbocore are just subcultures that deviate from the norm. Remove all of that, and what remains behind is a woman. It does not make them a bad mother, a bad cook, a bad home-keeper or a bad life-partner.
In Hinglish, we have this saying: “Pehle slutty-savitri, phir sati-savitri”. This phrase essentially criticizes the hypocrisy of men who manipulate and exploit women for their own desires but then seek “pure” wives for marriage. This applies to you.
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