“We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not.”

That’s gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I’ve heard in a while.

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    I’d wager the majority of American Jews would actually approve of at least conditioning aid to Israel so they stop bombing civilian targets. And the ones that are pro-genocide, are probably already voting for Republicans.

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      You’re probably not wrong. It’s an impossibly difficult problem to determine exactly what every voter wants.

      Then of course we have to wonder all the non-public things that are keeping the US tied to Israel…would make it a lot easier to understand why things are happening as they are.

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        For one, the occupation is an amazing source of tools and tactics that end up being used by cops in the US to occupy police certain neighbourhoods.

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        You’re probably not wrong. It’s an impossibly difficult problem to determine exactly what every voter wants.

        It’s a lot easier to not give a shit and just scream insults at anyone who’s had enough.

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              Dishonest discussion is insulting lol

              All you’ve done is throw out supposed “gotcha” statements and added nothing to conversation. It makes me embarassed to fundamentally agree with you on things.

              It’s literally dipshits like you that undermine the cause of the left: head to far up your own ass to accept anything less than everything being what you want. Learn the reality of the situation before crying about how the dems did something that isn’t what you think is best and turn your energy to actually achievable results

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                It’s literally dipshits like you that undermine the cause of the left: head to far up your own ass to accept anything less than everything being what you want.

                The party should adapt to get the votes of people it needs to win.

                That’s not expecting everything to be like I want. That’s wanting the party to do what is necessary to win so we don’t get stuck with Trump again.

                Dismissing them is fine if you think you don’t need them. Hurling abuse at them is great if you think you can win without their votes. But if you do that, don’t turn around and blame people to whom you were hostile and whose votes you didn’t attempt to get.

                Democrats would never act that way while trying to court Republican votes that they’ll never get, but they’re perfectly comfortable doing so to anyone to the left of party leadership – votes they can get but are too proud to try getting.

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                  Ah, finally, an actual answer

                  I’m explicitly talking about this scenario: American Muslims are overplaying their hand to the detriment of the rest of the bloc. What they want is utterly unattainable in such a short term, and the only counter they are attempting is threatening to vote for Trump as though it is some sort of solution. Sure, demanding a ceasefire and stopping Islamaphobia at home is a great long-term goal, but it is ludicrous to see their demands as valid when they are essentially saying “if you don’t stop Islamaphobia I’m gonna be the Islamaphobes in power.”

                  As for hurling abuse at them, I don’t think any Democrat official has done anything of the sort, whereas the party they are turning to does constantly.

                  And when it comes to courting Republicans…they have to play nice or risk the government ceasing to function. At the same time, given current trends the Democratic party will shift more to the left because more and more young people are going to force their hand within the next decade or so as the Boomers are (thankfully) culled.

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                    I’m explicitly talking about this scenario: American Muslims are overplaying their hand to the detriment of the rest of the bloc. What they want is utterly unattainable in such a short term, and the only counter they are attempting is threatening to vote for Trump as though it is some sort of solution. Sure, demanding a ceasefire and stopping Islamaphobia at home is a great long-term goal, but it is ludicrous to see their demands as valid when they are essentially saying “if you don’t stop Islamaphobia I’m gonna be the Islamaphobes in power.”

                    People do illogical things sometimes, yes. How do we go about getting them back?

                    At the same time, given current trends the Democratic party will shift more to the left because more and more young people are going to force their hand within the next decade or so as the Boomers are (thankfully) culled.

                    I wish I had your optimism regarding the future of the Democratic Party.