By Alice Cuddy BBC News, Jerusalem


The call to Mahmoud Shaheen came at dawn.

It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.

He’d been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.

He’d heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. “You need to escape,” somebody in the street shouted, “because they will bomb the towers”.

  • mwguyOP
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    1 year ago

    It’s not about beating Gaza into submission. It’s about destroying the logistical facilities necessary to executing slave raids. There’s not need for Gazan to “submit” to Israel. They just need to stop attacking Israel.

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      1 year ago

      Those same facilities are used by civilians. It really seams about giving Palestinians the choices of submit, leave or die. This is not the road to peace.

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        1 year ago

        Those same facilities are used by civilians.

        Ya unfortunately Hamas commits warcrimes by co-locating military infrastructure with civilian infrastructure.

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          1 year ago

          Yes I’m sure they do. However the answer isn’t to respond with more war crimes. It just keeps escalating and innocent people keep dying. It also feeds the nutters on both sides, swelling their numbers and influence.

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            1 year ago

            Hitting a colocated facility isn’t a war crime.

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              1 year ago

              Other than as part of collective punishment, I don’t think colocated facility is especially contentious.

              Edit: I read chocolate and cut and passed it because I thought chocolated was amusing. Tired dyslexic brain text processing. Co-located does remove some of the protections.

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                1 year ago

                So your definition of “war crime” is unique and different from the Geneva Conventions definition of war crimes.

                So when you say :

                However the answer isn’t to respond with more war crimes.

                What yiu need to realize is that people arent responding to war crimes with more war crimes. Theyre responding with force which is much less violent than what the Geneva Conventions would allow them to respond with.

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                  1 year ago

                  I had read chocolated and was amused. Yes, colated does remove some of the protection. But Israel has to prove that. There will be problems if there is no evidence and/or internal doubts from intelligence appear.

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                    1 year ago

                    For the most part they have shown and told this war. More than they have historically. And in the case of Al Shifa, that being a dual use hospital has been well known and documented for years in the press.