• @masquenox@lemmy.world
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    18 months ago

    Socialism is generally understood to not be exclusively worker control, but include other forms of collective control- such as state control.

    Generally understood by whom? If your understanding of socialism means state control it probably means your ideas of it doesn’t have much coherence at all.

    • @aidan@lemmy.world
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      18 months ago

      My understanding of socialism is that it describes collective control of the means of production, collective control can take many forms, including state control

      • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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        18 months ago

        Control by a bunch of party bureaucrats and apparatchiks who, like their counter-parts in corporate capitalist countries, are only interested in maintaining and expanding their own power and privilege in no way constitutes anything that can be called “collective” with a straight face - period.

        The term “socialism” has a very hard and uncompromising meaning - it becomes utterly meaningless when it becomes whatever “Dear Brother Comrade Leader” says it is.