They’re never going to be able to argue Stalin didn’t send firing squads to murder the Spanish revolutionaries. After seeing this meme they’d be crazy to try.
The Spanish Civil War is a bit weird in nomenclature, though. The ‘revolutionaries’ were the fascist branches of the military and monarchists, who were mad at the leftist elected governement.
Usually revolutionaries aren’t conservatives, but in the Spanish Civil War they were. Both Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin jumped at the chance to test out their offensive capabilities and sent their armies there. And it was a bloody affair where both parties slaughtered civil parties.
But Russia, for once, supported the democratically elected party in this war.
I’m not affiliated with the tankies and hate the fables they spin, but as an historian this one point really needed some context.
But Russia, for once, supported the democratically elected party in this war.
Man, that’s not even close to how it went down. The Soviet-supported PCE was all about infighting and sabotaging other members of the Republicans for not bootlicking Stalin enough.
The ‘revolutionaries’ were the fascist branches of the military and monarchists
I mean, can it really be called any kind of “revolt,” then? It’s essentially just a coup that went south and spun into a civil war thanks to the CNT-FAI’s intelligence networks.
So many words to say you were lying but want it to count as truth. Putting the Soviet Union in the same line as the fascist forces that sent ~30 times the number of people. If you’re an historian then you know you’re being a slimy little shit lying about that, and if you’re not an historian (and it doesn’t seem like you are frankly) you’re a slimy little shit for lying about that. Scare quotes around ‘aid’. Absolutely deranged.
Not that you’ve stopped lying, equivocating ‘military personnel’ as troops when even wikipedia won’t call them that.
Guess we’ll never witness your mental alchemy that turns sending ‘aid’ to the republicans into putting them in front of a firing squad as the meme implies.
Anticommunists never actually have to have a coherent though though lol
They’re completely irrelevant for people like you and me, though. I don’t worry about who’s trolling me (tbh, haven’t been trolled on lemmy yet), and I don’t let them live rent free in my mind. They’re not politically important, they’re small, they’re isolated.
Politically, I belong in the group in the meme with our backs against the wall. This weird fixation on hexbear feels like a sort of online red scare. I know full well I’ll be called a communist and grouped in with the tankies by 99% of people who don’t post on places like lemmy. Most people don’t distinguish between trade unionists and anarchists, and stalinists/maoists.
If Trump gets elected again, I don’t think he’s gonna differentiate between tankies, anarchists, socialists, Marxists, liberals, etc. if you are left of him, it’s the wall. But these “leftists” keep shadow-boxing an imaginary enemy. Kinda Sus.
Idk, I see comments from a group calling for nuking a hemisphere of the planet almost daily there to eradicate groups based on skin color and political beliefs.
‘Red scare’ is a bullshit term when the comments are still there for anyone to see.
It’s the difference between a storm watch and a storm warning.
I have 0 patience for violent authoritarians, be they liberal, conservative, communist, white or brown or black. You shouldn’t either, be better.
They aren’t the only internet echo chamber. I feel no need to wring my hands over the fact they exist. They have no influence over me, my instance is defederated from them, just like lemmy.world. And, it’s not like they’re out there banning books and participating in local elections, like other groups are. I see no likely future where they can do anything but shitpost.
If you feel like you’re improving the world by heading over there and reading distressing stuff, I’m not going to stop you, buddy. I’ll start worrying when they start having any influence at all. There are bigger fish to fry out there.
can’t wait to see the hexbear response to this one
Hexbear: [image of a pig pooping on its own balls]
Truly, walking in the shoes of Marx and Engels. Such eloquence.
You don’t have to wait you can just go look at them whenever you want.
https://hexbear.net/post/1070892
They won’t be showing up here, this is a lemmy.world community and they are defederated afaik.
My God, they’re just fanscreeching there and trying to make themselves interesting in the cringiest way about it. As always, tbh
The larger response is in this thread where the meme was crossposted, almost 400 comments
https://lemmy.ml/post/7900431?scrollToComments=true
They’re never going to be able to argue Stalin didn’t send firing squads to murder the Spanish revolutionaries. After seeing this meme they’d be crazy to try.
The Spanish Civil War is a bit weird in nomenclature, though. The ‘revolutionaries’ were the fascist branches of the military and monarchists, who were mad at the leftist elected governement.
Usually revolutionaries aren’t conservatives, but in the Spanish Civil War they were. Both Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin jumped at the chance to test out their offensive capabilities and sent their armies there. And it was a bloody affair where both parties slaughtered civil parties.
But Russia, for once, supported the democratically elected party in this war.
I’m not affiliated with the tankies and hate the fables they spin, but as an historian this one point really needed some context.
Man, that’s not even close to how it went down. The Soviet-supported PCE was all about infighting and sabotaging other members of the Republicans for not bootlicking Stalin enough.
I mean, can it really be called any kind of “revolt,” then? It’s essentially just a coup that went south and spun into a civil war thanks to the CNT-FAI’s intelligence networks.
Hence why I put revolutionaries in quotations and felt like a little context was necessary.
Fair enough.
Stalin sent his army to Spain, huh? So what, you’re like a video game historian or something?
Aside from massive military ‘aid’ there was between 2000-3000 Russian millitary personel active in Spain during the war.
So many words to say you were lying but want it to count as truth. Putting the Soviet Union in the same line as the fascist forces that sent ~30 times the number of people. If you’re an historian then you know you’re being a slimy little shit lying about that, and if you’re not an historian (and it doesn’t seem like you are frankly) you’re a slimy little shit for lying about that. Scare quotes around ‘aid’. Absolutely deranged.
Not that you’ve stopped lying, equivocating ‘military personnel’ as troops when even wikipedia won’t call them that.
Ok good arguments, solid conversation.
Bye Felicia
Guess we’ll never witness your mental alchemy that turns sending ‘aid’ to the republicans into putting them in front of a firing squad as the meme implies.
Anticommunists never actually have to have a coherent though though lol
Who hurt you? Do you need to talk about it?
Are the hexbears in the room with you right now?
No, they were defederated. Although I’m sure many of them have alt accounts here because trolls love to troll and get sad when you exile them.
I get it.
They’re completely irrelevant for people like you and me, though. I don’t worry about who’s trolling me (tbh, haven’t been trolled on lemmy yet), and I don’t let them live rent free in my mind. They’re not politically important, they’re small, they’re isolated.
Politically, I belong in the group in the meme with our backs against the wall. This weird fixation on hexbear feels like a sort of online red scare. I know full well I’ll be called a communist and grouped in with the tankies by 99% of people who don’t post on places like lemmy. Most people don’t distinguish between trade unionists and anarchists, and stalinists/maoists.
If Trump gets elected again, I don’t think he’s gonna differentiate between tankies, anarchists, socialists, Marxists, liberals, etc. if you are left of him, it’s the wall. But these “leftists” keep shadow-boxing an imaginary enemy. Kinda Sus.
Idk, I see comments from a group calling for nuking a hemisphere of the planet almost daily there to eradicate groups based on skin color and political beliefs.
‘Red scare’ is a bullshit term when the comments are still there for anyone to see. It’s the difference between a storm watch and a storm warning.
I have 0 patience for violent authoritarians, be they liberal, conservative, communist, white or brown or black. You shouldn’t either, be better.
They aren’t the only internet echo chamber. I feel no need to wring my hands over the fact they exist. They have no influence over me, my instance is defederated from them, just like lemmy.world. And, it’s not like they’re out there banning books and participating in local elections, like other groups are. I see no likely future where they can do anything but shitpost.
If you feel like you’re improving the world by heading over there and reading distressing stuff, I’m not going to stop you, buddy. I’ll start worrying when they start having any influence at all. There are bigger fish to fry out there.
That’s just what a tankie would say. /s