By Alice Cuddy BBC News, Jerusalem


The call to Mahmoud Shaheen came at dawn.

It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.

He’d been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.

He’d heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. “You need to escape,” somebody in the street shouted, “because they will bomb the towers”.

  • mwguyOP
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    1 year ago

    I don’t think that goal this time is to evict Palestinians from Gaza. I think the goal is simply to try to get a “new deal.” Most terrorist organizations aren’t as evil, incompetent and aren’t as ridiculous as Hamas is. I mean imagine how much better Gaza would be with a Taliban-esque leadership group in charge. Or even just a leadership group physically located in Gaza.

    Like how many jihadists can really be left in Gaza? At some point, they’ve got to run out of these idiots.

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      1 year ago

      There are some who are calling for it to be the end of Palestinians. Nuking them and other means of clearing the land.

      You never run out of idiots. They will be coming to Palestinian to fight. Young men are prone to look for causes to fight for and there is a real injustice happening to Palestine.

      Israel can’t just kill it’s way to peace. No justice, no peace.

      Hamas aren’t helping the Palestinian cause either because they are clearly terrorist nutters.

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        1 year ago

        Oh I’m sure there are some people at that point on the Israeli political spectrum. I just don’t think the ruling coalition is there.

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            1 year ago

            It doesn’t take much sanity to see that attacking your much larger and stronger neighbor and indiscriminately murdering their elderly and children and parading raped corpses through your streets would be a terrible idea. But we have idiots on both sides.

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              They are religious nutters, they don’t care about their own death, or the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. If anything, they want Israel to attack Palestine and kill thousands, and create rage that creates more Hamas. Hamas isn’t only fed by Palestinians. It can’t be defeated by military might. That’s like “the beatings will continue until morale improves”.

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                1 year ago

                I mean if Hamas was replaced by a Hezbollah equivalent that would be in improvement.

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                  1 year ago

                  More likely the anger being created will feed ever more extremism. Beating a people into peaceful submission doesn’t work. Let alone is barbaric.

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                    1 year ago

                    It’s not about beating Gaza into submission. It’s about destroying the logistical facilities necessary to executing slave raids. There’s not need for Gazan to “submit” to Israel. They just need to stop attacking Israel.