A UK Member of Parliament recently suggested that there should be a Government minister for men which would presumably do similar things to the existsing minister for Women.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/reactions-pour-in-as-mp-renews-calls-for-official-minister-for-men-356501/

This has thrown up a series of heated discussions on social media about whether this is part of the ‘backlash’ against feminsm, or whether there is a legitimate need for wider support of men’s issues.

As a man who believes that there are legitimate issues disproportionately affecting men which should be addressed, what I really want help in understanding is the opinion that men don’t need any targetted support.

I don’t want to start a big argument, but I do want to understand this perspective, because I have struggled to understand it before and I don’t like feeling like I’m missing something.

  • bluGill
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    -610 months ago

    Many people do not have a problem with nudity and seeing the opposite sex’s gentiles, or having the opposite sex see their gentiles. However there is a large group of people worldwide that do. This later group is large enough that the first should respect them and accept gender segregated bathrooms, as such there is no need for them in restrooms for males.

    Now you can argue that all restrooms should be single stall, unisex - and those should all have tampons. However where that is not the case you are being insensitive to the values of someone else.

    • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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      810 months ago

      I dunno what you’re doing in the bathroom but I’m certainly not looking at other people’s genitals. I don’t really see a problem with a bathroom for all genders. There’s nothing stopping creeps from going into the opposite gender’s bathroom with ill intent in current state other than a sign on the door

      • bluGill
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        -310 months ago

        We have a difference of values here. You should be asking a different question, how much do you adjust to someone with different values. You do not have a problem with single gender bathrooms, but some do. Leave it there and quit asking why, there is no answer you will accept anyway, and no particular reason to conclude your values are better.

        • 520
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          410 months ago

          Leave it there and quit asking why,

          No. Asking ‘why’ is a fundamental part of the process. If there is a genuine reason behind it, fair enough. If it’s a thinly veiled attempt at racism/sexism/etc, do you really want to treat that with any legitimacy?

        • Scrubbles
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          410 months ago

          We have a difference of values here. You should be asking a different question, how much do you adjust to someone with different values.

          Hold on while I hoist this giant mirror up, maybe you can read your own words back to yourself that way

            • Scrubbles
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              310 months ago

              oh good, for a minute I thought you were saying you were against neutral bathrooms, because “values” are frequently hidden behind to justify being against progress

    • Scrubbles
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      610 months ago

      How many genitals you seeing in the public bathrooms dude? Why are you looking at them all? Peeking over stalls now?

      • bluGill
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        010 months ago

        I’m not looking intentionally, but I’ve been in several where the angles of how i’m turning corners (and missing doors or dividers) mean sometimes you cannot help but seeing someone else’s genitals. If you know that setup you can avoid it, but that is a conscious effort that is easy to forget to do since most are not setup that way.

        • @Susaga@ttrpg.network
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          410 months ago

          I have literally never seen anyone else’s genitals in the toilets. It’s not just easy to avoid, it’s difficult to make happen. Either you’re in the worst designed toilet ever, or you’re actively trying to look at people’s junk. Eyes forward, soldier.